ECNL moving to school year part 2

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Anonymous wrote:Forget the Acadamies Berman wants to create and sell NWSL2 franchises.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44850805/nwsl-submits-bid-launch-second-division-2026

The National Women's Soccer League has formally applied to the U.S. Soccer Federation to create a new Division II league.

The plan is for the league to launch in 2026 as a developmental tier under the NWSL, which has been a first-division league since its inception in late 2012

A second-division women's professional league must have at least six teams to apply for sanctioning.

All stadiums must seat at least 2,000 people, and principal owners of teams must have a net worth of at least $7.5 million.

KC announced their 2nd team a couple days ago

This is more like minor league baseball or minor league hockey https://www.flohockey.tv/articles/10384919-nhl-minor-league-hockey-team-affiliates-breakdown

I guess its kind of a blurred line between Acadamies and Minor leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening because the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer leadership know what will happen next.

The reason ECNL went to SY is because that is what college coaches were asking for - they want to see players basically by graduating class (or close to it). And despite boy parents equating NWSL with MLS - there just isn't the market for professionally play on the girls side. NWSL salaries are miniscule compared to MLS, and going to college and getting a degree looks much better financially to lots of girls versus slogging it out to become a pro when the money isn't great. Thus, GA needs to decide what they want to be. If they want to be a path to pros (which is what maybe 1% wants) they stay BY; if they want to be a conduit to college recruiting, they go SY.

Also, this great linkage between GA/MLS/US Soccer leadership that you think is happenign, isn't. The head of US Soccer is also part of NCFC/NC Courage leadership, and they are firmly entrenched in ECNL. If they moved to GA, then you would know something is up in coordination with US Soccer.

You obviously dont understand that MLSN places players on pro teams and on college teams.

This is exactly what would happen with GA if it partnered with NWSL.

This is what I think peopel are missing. A) yes the path to pro goes through MLS Academies for the most part thats true. However those academies pick up kids from MLSN P2P, from ECNL, from other countries, from literally wherever. B) MLS Academies places FAR more kids in college programs than they do professional programs. By FAR.

Some people are intentionally missing that MLSN places players in pro and college teams.

As you said its not an either or with MLSN. Players if their good enough can choose to be pro or play in college. This is the appeal.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

💯 thinking pro's care about age group cut offs is comical. There was a pro pathway before this change to BY occurred and there will still be one after.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

You just keep posting even when you know you're wrong.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

So yes pro teams 100% care if a potential player is 16 or 24 and playing at the same level. On top of that it translates into the "value" of their contract and what they can expect to get paid.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

You just keep posting even when you know you're wrong.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

So yes pro teams 100% care if a potential player is 16 or 24 and playing at the same level. On top of that it translates into the "value" of their contract and what they can expect to get paid.

Wow are you this dense. The "pro" can figure out how old a player is by their birthdate just as easily if they are playing in a SY cut off system or a BY cutoff system.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

You just keep posting even when you know you're wrong.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

So yes pro teams 100% care if a potential player is 16 or 24 and playing at the same level. On top of that it translates into the "value" of their contract and what they can expect to get paid.

Wow are you this dense. The "pro" can figure out how old a player is by their birthdate just as easily if they are playing in a SY cut off system or a BY cutoff system.

But why would a pro team group by year in school when it has no relative meaning in their world?

BY year matters and is a required metric.

Your logic makes no sense. You're trying to twist reality.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

You just keep posting even when you know you're wrong.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

So yes pro teams 100% care if a potential player is 16 or 24 and playing at the same level. On top of that it translates into the "value" of their contract and what they can expect to get paid.

Wow are you this dense. The "pro" can figure out how old a player is by their birthdate just as easily if they are playing in a SY cut off system or a BY cutoff system.

But why would a pro team group by year in school when it has no relative meaning in their world?

BY year matters and is a required metric.

Your logic makes no sense. You're trying to twist reality.

BY is not a required metric "birth date" is. And that metric is the same no matter what age cutoff off groupings you play in.

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No changes to age groups for ECNL until Fall 26

The email exchange is a fake. You can tell because the fonts are different between the two messages.

Not only in size, but Thatonedad got close, but not cigar. The lower case “d” shows two different fonts.

It’s fake or you want it to be fake, or both?

Don’t care one way or the other. Prefer SY tbh. But I also abhor BS artists, liars and fakes. Would prefer to have this discussion with facts, opposed to fake emails screenshots, fake “calls from Trish” etc.

The evidence is that one dad is reliable. We will find out in time if he’s BS everyone.

But for now I’m going to assume GA is going SY and ECNL will stay BY for 25/26.

You mean he posted fake emails before, but it turned out to be closish in the sense that something did change, albeit not at all what he said except for SY related. So now you’ll say he is “reliable.” Even tho he is now saying “I’m just passing these along, they’re not even from me, I can’t verify them.”

🤦🏻‍♀️

They posted emails screen shots a month or so before anything was announced that it was being discussed and someone from ECNL said it was most likely going to change.

Other then that all I’ve seen is last few emails which can’t be verified until GA makes a decision publicly and ECNL calendar year finishes with no changes.

🤦‍♂️Stop embarrassing yourself.

We all know you made up the posts on socalforum.

ECNL and GA going SY for 26/27 and no changes for 25/26 seems like a very reasonable take at this point not sure it’s worth dying on the hill to oppose that.

But if you wish to fight until your last breath on the BY hill I respect.

Different poster. But this weird assumption that people who don’t want to deal in rumors, fake emails screenshots, or tarot readings are BY supporters is really odd.

Some of you all are just toxic.

That would be you my friend.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening because the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer leadership know what will happen next.

The reason ECNL went to SY is because that is what college coaches were asking for - they want to see players basically by graduating class (or close to it). And despite boy parents equating NWSL with MLS - there just isn't the market for professionally play on the girls side. NWSL salaries are miniscule compared to MLS, and going to college and getting a degree looks much better financially to lots of girls versus slogging it out to become a pro when the money isn't great. Thus, GA needs to decide what they want to be. If they want to be a path to pros (which is what maybe 1% wants) they stay BY; if they want to be a conduit to college recruiting, they go SY.

Also, this great linkage between GA/MLS/US Soccer leadership that you think is happenign, isn't. The head of US Soccer is also part of NCFC/NC Courage leadership, and they are firmly entrenched in ECNL. If they moved to GA, then you would know something is up in coordination with US Soccer.

You obviously dont understand that MLSN places players on pro teams and on college teams.

This is exactly what would happen with GA if it partnered with NWSL.

This is what I think peopel are missing. A) yes the path to pro goes through MLS Academies for the most part thats true. However those academies pick up kids from MLSN P2P, from ECNL, from other countries, from literally wherever. B) MLS Academies places FAR more kids in college programs than they do professional programs. By FAR.

Some people are intentionally missing that MLSN places players in pro and college teams.

As you said its not an either or with MLSN. Players if their good enough can choose to be pro or play in college. This is the appeal.

For every player not in MLSN academy (i.e., P2P MLSN) the goal is college. Maybe you have some kids at U13 at these P2Ps thinking they're going pro, but by U15 and up, they all know the deal. When I was at the Cup/showcase in TN in June, there were tents and all kinds of amenities for the college coaches. The whole thing is geared around college coaches. And there were a ton there. The 'pro' aspect of this is an afterthought at this point.

If MLSN decides they would rather cater to a 'pro' pathway (that doesn't exist for 99.9% of the players) to the detriment of College then so be it, but it is a losing move. Using a Pro pathway for marketing purposes is fine/great (and what they should be doing), but no one I know is dragging their kid around at these P2P MLSN clubs in the hope of going pro. It is for a better shot at D1.

MLSN should be doing everything they can to align with the needs of the college coaches (like ECNL is trying to do) because that is what their actual customers want.

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Anonymous wrote:How valid is the rumor that ECNL is allowing 4 trapped players to move to their SY teams in January 2026? It would be great to revisit where that came from

Well as of now ECNL has no plans of changing anything. So I would assume that was made up.

Only saving grace would be if US soccer decides to allow an early change. Which would be something they would discuss this fall during their meetings similarly to when they discussed the age group change at all.

USSF has no influence over youth soccer since DA folded (except the YNT). This do-whatever-you-want age cutoff is the manifestation of that.

They don't control anything anymore so they can't tell people what to do anymore. USYS , USCS and AYSO were merely giving them a token proposal.

But isn't the argument that USSF created their own private orgs (MLSN/GA) to replace DA, so that's where they show up? And, isn't this is why they left BY/SY to each organization?

US Soccer (USSF) most certainly does control all soccer in America. You only see the youth part of what they do. They allow (grant the right) for entities to sanction (player paperwork) this is what allows leagues to exist. US Soccer also does MLS USL NWSL USWNT USMNT.

What US Soccer did with with BY vs SY is allow leagues to choose what grouping type works best for them. ECNL has made it clear that they prefer SY. Unofficially ECNL worked with US Club (who sanctions ECNL) to "encourage" all leagues US Club sanctions to change to SY. USYS has also announced that they plan to change to SY

What the ECNL hats cant comprehend is that MLS sanctions MLS Next and GA is able to sanction itself. They are both completely different than US Club. There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. For girls GA staying BY might be happening becasue the plan is to link GA with NWSL the same way MLSN is linked with MLS. ECNL lovers see this possibility and because of it are trying everything they can to make up that GA is switching to SY. When in reality only GA + NWSL + US Soccer hleadership know what will happen next.

"There is a really good chance that neither change from BY. For boys MLSN controls who gets to play professionally. "P2P dad wishful thinking here

No idea what youre trying to say.

But, I agree that MLS controls MLSN and because they're a professional soccer organization (not a school) keeping things BY makes the most sense for them.

Please explain how BY helps them? Pro's don't care about age groups, so it doesn't matter either way. Long term would be easier to be consistent with everyone else, short term a little aggravation. At the end of three day the cutoff date is meaningless for pro pathway.

You are a blockhead.

SY has no meaning in professional sports.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

You dont understand any of this because your kid is likely a girl and all you can see is what ECNL is spoon feeding you about college pathways.

BY doesn't define their age, birth date defines their age.

Sigh...

If someone says their kid is a 2014 how old is their kid? (BY grouping)

If someone says my kid is a freshman in HS how old are they? (SY grouping)

And yet neither one of those matter when looking at a kid for a professional opportunity. This is N of 1 situation where they will know the birthdate. Again, BY vs. SY makes absolutely zero difference for a pro decision.

You just keep posting even when you know you're wrong.

BY defines a players age which translates into their shelf life. If they're not hitting certain age defined development goals clubs will stop investing in them.

So yes pro teams 100% care if a potential player is 16 or 24 and playing at the same level. On top of that it translates into the "value" of their contract and what they can expect to get paid.

Wow are you this dense. The "pro" can figure out how old a player is by their birthdate just as easily if they are playing in a SY cut off system or a BY cutoff system.

But why would a pro team group by year in school when it has no relative meaning in their world?

BY year matters and is a required metric.

Your logic makes no sense. You're trying to twist reality.

BY is not a required metric "birth date" is. And that metric is the same no matter what age cutoff off groupings you play in.

The MLSN guy you are responding to (who oddly enough doesn't know anything about MLSN or really about youth soccer or the soccer landscape) gets himself into these positions where his logic is completely broken but he just cannot see it or won't. Then he'll forget about this particular argument, take no lessons from it, and move on to the next. Perhaps he will bring back his argument that ECNL teams will be begging MLSN teams to play in their BY tournaments. That was a fun one!