It’s also possible an alien could abduct you at any moment and stick a probe you. Do you walk around with a stick up your a** all day long to protect against that “possibility” too? There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. None. Everyone knows that, including you. This is not about preventing illegal voting. It’s about sowing distrust so that your anti-democratic, fascist in chief can create an excuse to ignore the outcome of an election he doesn’t like. You’re pathetic. |
Wow. If a dog can vote twice in California, what makes you think human non-citizens cannot vote? |
But you’ll definitely trust a birth certificate from California as absolute proof of U.S. Citizenship, right? Same state that let the dog vote twice? |
You can self certify by checking a box in California that you are a citizen. That is why we need the Save Act. |
But the Save Act says a birth certificate issued by this very state you clearly can’t stand is proof positive of citizenship. You trust them 100% to issue proof of citizenship, right? |
Didn't say I could not stand California. You said that. But, clearly, if the SAVE ACt passes, there would be better documentation and confidence in the system. Self checking citizenship is pretty weak. But, hey, the dog was likely born in the U. s. |
It’s so weird that you think there is a bunch of foreigners voting in our elections. Why bother when you can just buy them? |
If you don’t trust the state of California to run their elections (constitutionally, a power given to the states if you care) how can you trust them to issue birth certificates, which then grant the holders the right to…vote in elections. Or do you propose to take over their hospitals, departments of records, etc? |
Can you show me where the outcome of any election was ever changed because "dogs voted twice" or whatever other nonsense you idiots keep trotting out? NO. You cannot. Again there has been study after study, investigation after investigation and all they have ever come up with is a mere handful of proven cases of fraudulent voting, countable on one's fingers and toes, out of HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF BALLOTS CAST. No matter how ridiculous and egregious the tales of "dogs voting" may sound, it's statistically absolutely meaningless. It isn't to "save" you from "fraudulent votes." That's already been proven. |
| The GOP can't win without cheating. It's as simple as that. The SAVE act will prevent millions of Americans, mostly Democrats, from voting. |
It is not going to lead to more confidence in elections. Plenty of states have been tightening their voter laws to do just that, and it hasn’t made a difference at all. It is going to give the government a way to arrest election workers, so that Trump can jail the ones who don’t cave to his pressure tactics. Please see: 2020 elections and pressure tactics used to try to overturn it. |
Saying it again because you’re illiterate: There is no evidence of widespread voter fraud. None. Everyone knows that, including you. This is not about preventing illegal voting. It’s about sowing distrust so that your anti-democratic, fascist in chief can create an excuse to ignore the outcome of an election he doesn’t like. You’re pathetic. |
| I’ve heard the Republicans are rethinking this because data shows very few rural Americans have passports. They are expensive and only needed if you travel an out of the country which many of these Americans do not. |
…and any fraud that does exist is inevitably from the far right extremists. “Austin Smith, a former Republican Arizona state legislator and senior director at Turning Point Action, was sentenced on January 6, 2026, to two years of supervised probation, a $5,500 fine, and a five-year ban on running for public office for committing election-related fraud. The sentencing follows his guilty plea in November 2025 to two criminal counts: attempted fraudulent schemes and practices, and illegal signing of election petitions.” |
There was plenty of confidence in the system in 2024 when Trump and the GOP swept the election, right? Or are you saying the 2024 election was fraudulent? |