Big Beautiful Bill

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Anonymous wrote:The Byrd rule is destroying the BBB. So many of the fancy-pants end-run stuff they packed in to the reconciliation bill are getting nixed.

When the BBB finally comes up for a vote, it may end up being a minimal basically-a-CR.

The upcoming vote (or not-a-vote) on the rescissions package is one to watch. If they don't vote on it by the 18th, the package fails and the administration must spend the money. We'll see.

You can’t change the law with only 51 votes.

That is just the filibuster rule. It is a senate rule. The rule needs to go. Whoever is in majority should be able to pass laws with a simple majority. The senate is already slanted to small, under populated rural states.

Everyone always said that the Democrats couldn’t scrap the filibuster because than as soon as the Republicans got power they would use that to run roughshod over everything that’s been done to improve regular people’s lives over the last hundred years. These guys are governing like they’ll never lose power again, I don’t think it’s out of the question.

They aren't going to lose power again. Or by the time they do, the party will be almost as unrecognizable then as it would be to a Republican who had been frozen in time circa 1968 and awoken today.

The country is already under minoritarian rule and the minoritarians have been steadily chipping away at the fairly weak safeguards that existed to bar the most egregious voter suppression. It's perfectly legal for the majority party to rig voting through gerrymandering to keep themselves in power. Republicans fought for months to steal a state Supreme Court seat in North Carolina, and while they eventually caved, they are only getting bolder. The Supreme Court routinely twists facts or language to produce the results it wants or flat out invalidates laws it doesn't like by creating standards for Congress out of thin air. And Congress has thoroughly abdicated its power.

No one should be surprised in 2028 if we end up with JD Vance as President even though he loses the popular vote AND the Electoral College vote. A couple swing states will simply appoint electors that will give their state's EC votes to Vance and I predict the Supreme Court will rule from its ivory tower that it's perfectly legal and Constitutional.

The American decline has been gradual but steadily accelerating for the last 40-ish years. We are moving very quickly down the hill now. The crash won't come for awhile, but Gen X and perhaps elder millenials will be the last to experience increasing wealth and abundance throughout their adulthood as they work and invest. The age of American greatness is coming to an end.

Sadly, I agree this could very well be our reality. Only because people are not speaking up, and rationalizing it. At the very least, we’ll have a long period of stagflation because we’re losing our cutting edge with this admin attacking science and higher ed. Our GDP is already lower and our trade deficit is ballooning, but MAGA stays the course.

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I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

It isn't career suicide if there aren't more legitimate elections.

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It's getting closer. Many of the Senate holdouts are saying yes. They are preparing to vote now. Although it's not certain.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

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The senate bill is even more expensive than the House bill. CBO said the deficits in the House bill would make interest rates go up and the senate bill is even worse.

I don’t ever want to hear anyone tell me republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility ever again.

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

This is the game they have played for decades....implement these bills and have them explode on the dems and then blame the dems for their irresponsible spending.

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The Senate bill leaves the salt cap at $10,000. The cap was a sticking point in the house for Rs from NY, NJ and other blue states. Does the Senate version have a chance of passing the house without changes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

This is the game they have played for decades....implement these bills and have them explode on the dems and then blame the dems for their irresponsible spending.

I believe Congress will reverse the spending cuts. Those provisions are needed right now to get enough R votes to extend the tax cuts. Down the line Republicans will be able to work with Democrats to prevent those spending cuts from taking effect.

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Wow, there is not a snowballs chance in hell these spending cuts will be reversed. On what plane of reality do you base that assertion on?

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The GOP is going to slam this bill through over the weekend and then go on a three week july 4th break. By the time people realize how truly awful it is, martial law will be imposed and there won't be any room t protest or express grievances.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

This is the game they have played for decades....implement these bills and have them explode on the dems and then blame the dems for their irresponsible spending.

GOP Senator Rand Paul: “Once this bill votes, and this debt ceiling goes through, the debt is owned by the GOP, and there is no more campaigning and saying ‘This is the Democrats.’ It will be owned by the Republicans”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

This is the game they have played for decades....implement these bills and have them explode on the dems and then blame the dems for their irresponsible spending.

GOP Senator Rand Paul: “Once this bill votes, and this debt ceiling goes through, the debt is owned by the GOP, and there is no more campaigning and saying ‘This is the Democrats.’ It will be owned by the Republicans”

Lol

At this point, Congress is a meme government, just as the S&P is a meme stock market. They can vote yes or no and none of it matters to voters. Voters won't notice or care.

[Anonymous]

Hawley and Collins both expressed concerns but both have fallen in line. sad sad day for our republic

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I hope they leave for break without voting on it. Please please please. If they pass this thing, it’s career suicide. So much in it that is bad for us. The only option is delay the measures until 2030 so it can be overturned.

No republicans are pushing all the big cuts off till after 2027.

This is the game they have played for decades....implement these bills and have them explode on the dems and then blame the dems for their irresponsible spending.

I believe Congress will reverse the spending cuts. Those provisions are needed right now to get enough R votes to extend the tax cuts. Down the line Republicans will be able to work with Democrats to prevent those spending cuts from taking effect.

No. Will not happen. Remember the democrats are at a disadvantage because of the over representation of rural areas and small states. Add in the filibuster and the Dems will never be able to pass anything.