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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This is very concerning, when the mom called in, WHY didnt the school act right away? 
Qnd considering the fbi had also talked to him last year, why was the guy allowed a gun? 
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Stop trying to blame the mom and the school. The issue is the kid has easy access to a gun! It’s the guns. And that is why the dad is under arrest and will most likely spend many years in jail. I actually feel very sorry for this kid. He should not be prosecuted as an adult. He’s a troubled kid with horrible parenting. And next to blame are the Republican politicians who refuse any gun safety regulations.  Make safe storage mandatory and these shooting will decline. This should be the bare minimum.[/quote]

I do not feel sorry for this kid in the least.  I have known kids who have come from broken homes.  Kids whose parents neglected them.  Kids who are depressed.  Kids who have been bullied.  Kids who have been abused.

I feel very sorry for a child who is suicidal and who might see an opportunity to get a gun to be a potential release from their personal pain by killing themselves.  I can sympathize with someone who has been victimized, abused, or assaulted, and who sees an opportunity to get a gun as an opportunity to defend themselves, or to take revenge on the person or persons who abused or assaulted them.  I do not have sympathy for someone who believes that access to a gun is an outlet to take it to a populated area and go on a killing spree, especially a killing spree of innocent people who have never done the person any harm.  A murderer who thinks like this is not someone to feel sorry for.

And someone who thinks like this is not just the victim of bad parenting.  People who think in suicidal of vengeful thoughts may be the victim of bad parenting.  People who think is terms of calculated murder (not just involuntary murder, but cold calculated murder, of intending to go to a school, mall, concert and deliberating planning to kill as many people as possible) are not victims.  They are murderers.  In this case, the father gave a cold blooded murdered the weapon and means to commit murder.  The father deserves to same chance for acquittal as the Crumbleys, but if the facts are as currently described in the press, then he deserves the same fate they received.[/quote]

Our society taught him that.

His video games teach shooting and killing.

The internet glorifies this stuff.

The kid did not sit alone on his room and make this idea up.

Automatic weapons are too accessible. [/quote]

So we need to enforce that crimes have consequences. Right now, the reason that conservative society doesn't take these crimes seriously is that there are not consequences.  Enforce consequences and society will learn to teach something else.  If there are consequences, then gun safety can become a societal concern.

There are many of us who do teach our kids about safety when it comes to guns.  If parents are held accountable and responsible, then maybe more parents will teach concern.

You say that the kid did not sit alone in his room and make this idea up.  But the vast majority of kids, even kids who play violent video games and watches violent movies, do not get a gun and go on a rampage killing others.  The majority of kids who are depressed do not look for a gun to kill others.  The majority of kids who have access to guns do not get them to go out and shoot others to kill  for no reason.

The majority, even those who are bullies at heart, will threaten, will shoot at something else, whether targets, animals (not condoning animal cruelty, but just saying that this is a lesser crime that often is used as a surrogate for harming others), or will injure in a non-lethal way.  There are many who might do something like this without thinking or planning, but it takes someone that is criminal to actually think this, plot this, plan this, take the weapon with you, and to actually go through with this.  This was premeditated.

Regardless of all that you wrote, the point is that he had access to guns (father's fault), he had no moral compass to control the notion that shooting at other people who did nothing to you was wrong (parent's fault) and he had shown signs that he was not stable enough mentally to own a gun (father ignored).

This kid is not to be pitied.  He is not the victim here.  He may have been influenced as you said, but it takes more than just societal influence and a culture of violence to actually take a weapon and aim it at other people, especially innocent people who have done no wrong, and to actually pull the trigger and kill them.[/quote]

I don’t care about that. I just want all ar16s banned[/quote]

Exactly. I don’t care about a bunch of egghead scientific data-schmata analysis from a bunch of nerds and doctors. I just want something quick and reflexive that we can do without thinking, that won’t change anything in MY life. [/quote]

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