Does anyone hate how competitive the world has become?

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Enlighten us.

Where do all these athletes go and what do they do after college graduation?

My neighbor is a corporate insurance broker. He’s from S Africa and played soccer at some obscure school in Tyler, texas. He loved playing in college. And he lives in bethesda married to a teacher so must be making decent money….

It isn’t just the college athletes. There are guys who make it pro but they are not Patrick Mahomes or Kevin Durant. All the athletes who don’t quite make it in the pros don’t all have bright futures. I would say most don’t.

I have an acquaintance who had a talented gymnast daughter. Instead of going to a normal good school, she went to a school I had never heard of on scholarship. She majored in something easy and now graduated. She isn’t like Olympic level good. She doesn’t have a job. It makes me wonder what her parents were thinking. Shouldn’t they have encouraged a career instead of just gymnastics?

Did she at least join a sorority and marry a frat guy?

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Enlighten us.

Where do all these athletes go and what do they do after college graduation?

My neighbor is a corporate insurance broker. He’s from S Africa and played soccer at some obscure school in Tyler, texas. He loved playing in college. And he lives in bethesda married to a teacher so must be making decent money….

It isn’t just the college athletes. There are guys who make it pro but they are not Patrick Mahomes or Kevin Durant. All the athletes who don’t quite make it in the pros don’t all have bright futures. I would say most don’t.

I have an acquaintance who had a talented gymnast daughter. Instead of going to a normal good school, she went to a school I had never heard of on scholarship. She majored in something easy and now graduated. She isn’t like Olympic level good. She doesn’t have a job. It makes me wonder what her parents were thinking. Shouldn’t they have encouraged a career instead of just gymnastics?

90% this. No career track.

0.5% pro in Europe or U.S.

9.5% who went to T100 D1 schools and were scholar athletes in HS and college get recruited for banking, consulting, corp rotation programs.
The extravert ones less critical thinking do Pharma sales, insurance sales, realtor stuff.

Cite? Anecdotally for me a bunch of lawyers / doctors / Wall Street from my D1 T100 sport, including myself.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Agree.

America diverted from this academic merit and uni is-for-studying concept two ways. First with using diversity factors to get admitted, and with second with lucrative big 10, SEC, etc athletics programs. then got called out and did Title 9 for females.

Just the last two years American uni’s shot some nitro into college sports: allowing free agent portal transfers any and all years of college to other teams; and a few students went to court to demand royalty compensation to student athletes (tix and merc sales, ad rev)

So watch the nutjob parents and non scholar athletes froth at the mouth for this. This will up the ante even more for u10-18 travel sports!

Now you can fake your way into college and get paid for playing sports and getting your 2.0-2.5 major with your travel tutor!!

Then graduate and…..

Other countries must think we’re crazy

No wonder we have so many Tier 2,3,4,5 travel team programs. They’re all run by retired college athletes trying to make a buck!

Foreign countries are crazy in their own ways.

Let's take Europe. For basketball, soccer and hockey, many European countries have established powerhouse teams that create an academy system at a very young age.

Ajax in the Netherlands and Barcelona in Spain have kids as young as 5 essentially going to soccer boarding school. It's a ruthless environment where in theory the kids are also attending school, but actually aren't learning much. As kids get older, some of the kids recruited at 5 keep moving up, but others fall behind and are kicked out in favor of new recruits. By about 13-14, the teams are set. These academies know which players will be the best, and now all these kids are trained for pro teams. Every country has multiple pro soccer divisions...much much like minor league baseball.

The same happens with hockey in Nordic countries, baseball in France, Spain, Slovenia, etc.

The main difference is any athlete that isn't in one of these crazy sports boarding programs just plays for fun. They know they are never going to get discovered at 14...that's too late. There are no college sports, so there is no playing in college.

Of course, the US colleges, especially with TO, are more than happy to accept a bunch of these European players who are barely literate. That is why many college soccer teams now have like a 22-year old average age.

I don't know which system is better, but one could argue the European system is pretty crazy too.

Big difference.

There they scout and pick off talent at a very young age. And take them over at age 10-13 onward.

The rest of the kids and families play for fun locally and do quite well. But there’s no pay play $3000 travel soccer or bball plus tourneys 500 miles away every month. That’s not happening.

Here it’s pay to pay by families until your kid gets picked off by boarding school or some national level frenzied tournament play over the summers in high school.

Or just go to no name school and play. If you don’t have good grades, may as well play that card.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Enlighten us.

Where do all these athletes go and what do they do after college graduation?

My neighbor is a corporate insurance broker. He’s from S Africa and played soccer at some obscure school in Tyler, texas. He loved playing in college. And he lives in bethesda married to a teacher so must be making decent money….

It isn’t just the college athletes. There are guys who make it pro but they are not Patrick Mahomes or Kevin Durant. All the athletes who don’t quite make it in the pros don’t all have bright futures. I would say most don’t.

I have an acquaintance who had a talented gymnast daughter. Instead of going to a normal good school, she went to a school I had never heard of on scholarship. She majored in something easy and now graduated. She isn’t like Olympic level good. She doesn’t have a job. It makes me wonder what her parents were thinking. Shouldn’t they have encouraged a career instead of just gymnastics?

90% this. No career track.

0.5% pro in Europe or U.S.

9.5% who went to T100 D1 schools and were scholar athletes in HS and college get recruited for banking, consulting, corp rotation programs.
The extravert ones less critical thinking do Pharma sales, insurance sales, realtor stuff.

Cite? Anecdotally for me a bunch of lawyers / doctors / Wall Street from my D1 T100 sport, including myself.

T100 lol

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Enlighten us.

Where do all these athletes go and what do they do after college graduation?

My neighbor is a corporate insurance broker. He’s from S Africa and played soccer at some obscure school in Tyler, texas. He loved playing in college. And he lives in bethesda married to a teacher so must be making decent money….

It isn’t just the college athletes. There are guys who make it pro but they are not Patrick Mahomes or Kevin Durant. All the athletes who don’t quite make it in the pros don’t all have bright futures. I would say most don’t.

I have an acquaintance who had a talented gymnast daughter. Instead of going to a normal good school, she went to a school I had never heard of on scholarship. She majored in something easy and now graduated. She isn’t like Olympic level good. She doesn’t have a job. It makes me wonder what her parents were thinking. Shouldn’t they have encouraged a career instead of just gymnastics?

90% this. No career track.

0.5% pro in Europe or U.S.

9.5% who went to T100 D1 schools and were scholar athletes in HS and college get recruited for banking, consulting, corp rotation programs.
The extravert ones less critical thinking do Pharma sales, insurance sales, realtor stuff.

Cite? Anecdotally for me a bunch of lawyers / doctors / Wall Street from my D1 T100 sport, including myself.

Likewise, we’re part of the 9.5%! The scholar athletes. There a lot of us in NYC and DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Only someone who knows NOTHING about getting good grades and the power of a college degree, networking and career services would post that.

Smart people with transferable skills for various industries have a lot of choices. At every stage of their career. So do your best to get into a fantastic college for that and get the best grades and learning you can. Play the long game.

Please stop, those of us who have played college sports and/or see our kids’ diligence and hard work to excel at a high level sport understand the value. You just don’t. Learning to time manage as an athlete with academics is also a valuable skill and college athletes are often successful individuals professionally. College gives the chance to work hard and see how good you can be at something that likely has been a lifelong passion. The travel, the teammates, the community. Not to mention the networking from alumni athletes. It’s an amazing experience.

Then what? You’re 22 or 23, then what?

Isn’t that the same question every grad has to answer? What people don’t realize is the incredible networking among sports alumni in a number of industries, I’ve seen it particularly in IB. Alumni will take current players under their wing, provide internships, advice.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Only someone who knows NOTHING about getting good grades and the power of a college degree, networking and career services would post that.

Smart people with transferable skills for various industries have a lot of choices. At every stage of their career. So do your best to get into a fantastic college for that and get the best grades and learning you can. Play the long game.

Please stop, those of us who have played college sports and/or see our kids’ diligence and hard work to excel at a high level sport understand the value. You just don’t. Learning to time manage as an athlete with academics is also a valuable skill and college athletes are often successful individuals professionally. College gives the chance to work hard and see how good you can be at something that likely has been a lifelong passion. The travel, the teammates, the community. Not to mention the networking from alumni athletes. It’s an amazing experience.

Then what? You’re 22 or 23, then what?

Isn’t that the same question every grad has to answer? What people don’t realize is the incredible networking among sports alumni in a number of industries, I’ve seen it particularly in IB. Alumni will take current players under their wing, provide internships, advice.

Of T50 colleges or strong slacs and decent GPA.

Not from the other 1000 unknown schools.

Internet influencer might work!

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Only someone who knows NOTHING about getting good grades and the power of a college degree, networking and career services would post that.

Smart people with transferable skills for various industries have a lot of choices. At every stage of their career. So do your best to get into a fantastic college for that and get the best grades and learning you can. Play the long game.

Please stop, those of us who have played college sports and/or see our kids’ diligence and hard work to excel at a high level sport understand the value. You just don’t. Learning to time manage as an athlete with academics is also a valuable skill and college athletes are often successful individuals professionally. College gives the chance to work hard and see how good you can be at something that likely has been a lifelong passion. The travel, the teammates, the community. Not to mention the networking from alumni athletes. It’s an amazing experience.

Then what? You’re 22 or 23, then what?

Isn’t that the same question every grad has to answer? What people don’t realize is the incredible networking among sports alumni in a number of industries, I’ve seen it particularly in IB. Alumni will take current players under their wing, provide internships, advice.

No it’s not the same question.

Athletes spent 75% of their time practicing, bussing or tutoring for 2-4 years.

Scholars spent their time in class, networking, interning summers or semesters, traveling, studying for grad school tests, and getting good grades.

Goof offs did neither of the above.

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Anonymous wrote:I am Asian and in my circle of Asian friends, nobody cares about having their kids play soccer, football, or basketball. We only care about golf or tennis. That is because most, not all Asians, consider soccer, football, and basketball a low class, while it takes a lot of money to get good at golf or tennis.

If you look at the golf and tennis roster at Langley, McLean, Oakton HS, they are mostly Asians.

Not just Asians. No one with very smart kids that have a bright academic future without a sports scholarship is putting their kid into football or basketball

What about track & field?

Are asians just avoiding sports with athletic, well-trained Black kids?

No they focus on life long sports with no favoritism

+1
Go to the soccer, baseball, or basketball sections, and you can read all the complaints from parents about their kids not being selected for the team, even though their kids are better, due to favoritism or nepotism.

You don't have that problem in tennis or golf because you can't argue against the score.

Agree. Sick of the bullying and politics in team sports. Non rec.
Parent coaches are the worst and parents teaching their sons and daughters to bully others is a big problem.
Many natural athletes gravitate towards the team sports but something like tennis, golf or swimming is much less disappointing people-wise.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Only someone who knows NOTHING about getting good grades and the power of a college degree, networking and career services would post that.

Smart people with transferable skills for various industries have a lot of choices. At every stage of their career. So do your best to get into a fantastic college for that and get the best grades and learning you can. Play the long game.

Please stop, those of us who have played college sports and/or see our kids’ diligence and hard work to excel at a high level sport understand the value. You just don’t. Learning to time manage as an athlete with academics is also a valuable skill and college athletes are often successful individuals professionally. College gives the chance to work hard and see how good you can be at something that likely has been a lifelong passion. The travel, the teammates, the community. Not to mention the networking from alumni athletes. It’s an amazing experience.

Then what? You’re 22 or 23, then what?

Isn’t that the same question every grad has to answer? What people don’t realize is the incredible networking among sports alumni in a number of industries, I’ve seen it particularly in IB. Alumni will take current players under their wing, provide internships, advice.

Of T50 colleges or strong slacs and decent GPA.

Not from the other 1000 unknown schools.

Internet influencer might work!

It’s not a straight top 50 by USNEWs rankings. Basically any Power 4 athlete has strong alumni networks for many sports.

This ranges from Duke to University of Alabama.

Decent GPA means just like a 3.0…though not even sure that matters all that much.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Agree.

America diverted from this academic merit and uni is-for-studying concept two ways. First with using diversity factors to get admitted, and with second with lucrative big 10, SEC, etc athletics programs. then got called out and did Title 9 for females.

Just the last two years American uni’s shot some nitro into college sports: allowing free agent portal transfers any and all years of college to other teams; and a few students went to court to demand royalty compensation to student athletes (tix and merc sales, ad rev)

So watch the nutjob parents and non scholar athletes froth at the mouth for this. This will up the ante even more for u10-18 travel sports!

Now you can fake your way into college and get paid for playing sports and getting your 2.0-2.5 major with your travel tutor!!

Then graduate and…..

Other countries must think we’re crazy

No wonder we have so many Tier 2,3,4,5 travel team programs. They’re all run by retired college athletes trying to make a buck!

Foreign countries are crazy in their own ways.

Let's take Europe. For basketball, soccer and hockey, many European countries have established powerhouse teams that create an academy system at a very young age.

Ajax in the Netherlands and Barcelona in Spain have kids as young as 5 essentially going to soccer boarding school. It's a ruthless environment where in theory the kids are also attending school, but actually aren't learning much. As kids get older, some of the kids recruited at 5 keep moving up, but others fall behind and are kicked out in favor of new recruits. By about 13-14, the teams are set. These academies know which players will be the best, and now all these kids are trained for pro teams. Every country has multiple pro soccer divisions...much much like minor league baseball.

The same happens with hockey in Nordic countries, baseball in France, Spain, Slovenia, etc.

The main difference is any athlete that isn't in one of these crazy sports boarding programs just plays for fun. They know they are never going to get discovered at 14...that's too late. There are no college sports, so there is no playing in college.

Of course, the US colleges, especially with TO, are more than happy to accept a bunch of these European players who are barely literate. That is why many college soccer teams now have like a 22-year old average age.

I don't know which system is better, but one could argue the European system is pretty crazy too.

Big difference.

There they scout and pick off talent at a very young age. And take them over at age 10-13 onward.

The rest of the kids and families play for fun locally and do quite well. But there’s no pay play $3000 travel soccer or bball plus tourneys 500 miles away every month. That’s not happening.

Here it’s pay to pay by families until your kid gets picked off by boarding school or some national level frenzied tournament play over the summers in high school.

Or just go to no name school and play. If you don’t have good grades, may as well play that card.

I literally said it’s a big difference…and a rational person could think the European model is crazy too.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Agree.

America diverted from this academic merit and uni is-for-studying concept two ways. First with using diversity factors to get admitted, and with second with lucrative big 10, SEC, etc athletics programs. then got called out and did Title 9 for females.

Just the last two years American uni’s shot some nitro into college sports: allowing free agent portal transfers any and all years of college to other teams; and a few students went to court to demand royalty compensation to student athletes (tix and merc sales, ad rev)

So watch the nutjob parents and non scholar athletes froth at the mouth for this. This will up the ante even more for u10-18 travel sports!

Now you can fake your way into college and get paid for playing sports and getting your 2.0-2.5 major with your travel tutor!!

Then graduate and…..

Other countries must think we’re crazy

No wonder we have so many Tier 2,3,4,5 travel team programs. They’re all run by retired college athletes trying to make a buck!

Foreign countries are crazy in their own ways.

Let's take Europe. For basketball, soccer and hockey, many European countries have established powerhouse teams that create an academy system at a very young age.

Ajax in the Netherlands and Barcelona in Spain have kids as young as 5 essentially going to soccer boarding school. It's a ruthless environment where in theory the kids are also attending school, but actually aren't learning much. As kids get older, some of the kids recruited at 5 keep moving up, but others fall behind and are kicked out in favor of new recruits. By about 13-14, the teams are set. These academies know which players will be the best, and now all these kids are trained for pro teams. Every country has multiple pro soccer divisions...much much like minor league baseball.

The same happens with hockey in Nordic countries, baseball in France, Spain, Slovenia, etc.

The main difference is any athlete that isn't in one of these crazy sports boarding programs just plays for fun. They know they are never going to get discovered at 14...that's too late. There are no college sports, so there is no playing in college.

Of course, the US colleges, especially with TO, are more than happy to accept a bunch of these European players who are barely literate. That is why many college soccer teams now have like a 22-year old average age.

I don't know which system is better, but one could argue the European system is pretty crazy too.

Big difference.

There they scout and pick off talent at a very young age. And take them over at age 10-13 onward.

The rest of the kids and families play for fun locally and do quite well. But there’s no pay play $3000 travel soccer or bball plus tourneys 500 miles away every month. That’s not happening.

Here it’s pay to pay by families until your kid gets picked off by boarding school or some national level frenzied tournament play over the summers in high school.

Or just go to no name school and play. If you don’t have good grades, may as well play that card.

I literally said it’s a big difference…and a rational person could think the European model is crazy too.

EU isolates the crazy to a handful of ID’d talent. China does the same at training camps.

USA is a free for all monetizing the dream for every level that can pay, yet results will be the same. Handful of ID’d talent persists through. Rest go do plan b and c, or nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, when the WSJ runs an article like this on an Olympic ping pong player...it's hard not to believe this is the thinking of many Asian families and sports:

Lily Zhang is the queen of American table tennis, a six-time national champ and four-time Olympian in the prime of her career. At only 28 years old, the California native can’t help but dream ahead about playing in front of a home crowd at the 2028 Los Angeles Games.

Her parents are less enthused.

“We always try to convince her to stop playing,” says her mother, Linda Liu. “We just want her to have a normal job.”

The irony is that Linda Liu and Bob Zhang helped mold their daughter into a table-tennis star in the first place. Immigrants from China, they wanted to pass down their native country’s national sport to their offspring. So in a cramped Palo Alto apartment, the ping-pong table pulled double duty.

“It was also the dining table,” Lily Zhang says. “We would just put a tablecloth over it and then eat.”

But to her parents, table tennis was an opportunity to enhance her college applications. “If she played at a high level, it would help her get into a good school,” says Liu, her mother.

At age 16, she competed at the 2012 London Games. Though she lost her first match, her parents declared it a resounding victory. “They’re like, OK, you got the Olympics, you got that on your college apps and now you can focus on studies,’ ” Zhang says.

“You already went to the London Olympics,” Liu said at the time. “That is enough.”

I can’t speak for all Asians but most of us consider sports a hobby. I can understand a mother of a 28yo wanting her daughter to get a “real” job and get married.

My son plays tennis at a high level. School is the priority and comes first.

Nobody plays any sport at a high level if it is just "a hobby". That's what differentiates the hobbyists who play for fun on the weekend from the players who compete at a high level.

You contradicted your own statement.

My kid has been playing tennis since he was in preschool. He also did soccer, swim team, basketball and track. His main sport is tennis. He plays tennis 5-6x per week, is on the varsity tennis team and plays tournaments when he can. He is as dedicated to tennis as a person can get without being all in.

We also know the kids who go to the boarding schools or private school or online school who play tennis all day everyday. We are not that type of family.

Got it...but that's no different than any other sport where you have "hobbyists" who play occasionally for fun, you have kids that play seriously and perhaps may be able to play the sport at say a D3 level (or not), and you have kids that play the sport at a very high level and their goal is the D1 and/or the Professional level.

That's all. It is more than a hobby, but not the highest level.

I never understood this bottom D1, D2, D3 college team or bust stupidity.

I’d rather go to the best school and program for my desired major and play club sports than go to one of the 1000s of no name schools and play on their team.

My coworker was just bragging about a niece from texas going to play at some college in Long Beach I never heard of. Ok. Unclear what the long game or future career is after that. But hey, she’s on a college v ball team!!!

I don't disagree with you...but college sports has gotten a little nuts. It's possible your co-worker's niece is going to a competitive D3 volleyball program that basically develops volleyball players into D1 transfers.

So, that "no name" Long Beach school may get 50% of the team onto good D1 volleyball program teams after their freshman or sophomore year.

I don't think any of this is a good thing...but there are some D3 colleges that now identify as farm teams for D1 programs. I personally don't know volleyball, but it's common in baseball.

What’s the point of that?
College should be about studying, new friends, new city, more networks, internships, spring break travels, career services.
Not transferring from one bottom sports program to another.

So new rule: everyone should do college according to you? If you don’t get sports, removing the doubt, playing at high levels, then you just don’t get it.

You seem dull.

College for studying doesn’t have anything to do with other options like military or trade school or going abroad or doing fulltime sports.
I said college is for studying for one’s career.
Most of the planet agrees with exactly that.

You seem to be saying some different gabbaly gook about playing sports. And you’re responding to a thread on how some families put their kids in bottom colleges in order to do so.
Is that really “playing at the highest level”? Are the best coaches, recruits and level of play really at #321 of the ~350 D1 colleges?
Is your potential major and career so low a priority that you’d rather attend that no-name school to play on their sports team versus a more reputable college degree and network?

Only someone who knows NOTHING about sports would post this.

Only someone who knows NOTHING about getting good grades and the power of a college degree, networking and career services would post that.

Smart people with transferable skills for various industries have a lot of choices. At every stage of their career. So do your best to get into a fantastic college for that and get the best grades and learning you can. Play the long game.

Please stop, those of us who have played college sports and/or see our kids’ diligence and hard work to excel at a high level sport understand the value. You just don’t. Learning to time manage as an athlete with academics is also a valuable skill and college athletes are often successful individuals professionally. College gives the chance to work hard and see how good you can be at something that likely has been a lifelong passion. The travel, the teammates, the community. Not to mention the networking from alumni athletes. It’s an amazing experience.

Then what? You’re 22 or 23, then what?

Isn’t that the same question every grad has to answer? What people don’t realize is the incredible networking among sports alumni in a number of industries, I’ve seen it particularly in IB. Alumni will take current players under their wing, provide internships, advice.

Of T50 colleges or strong slacs and decent GPA.

Not from the other 1000 unknown schools.

Internet influencer might work!

It’s not a straight top 50 by USNEWs rankings. Basically any Power 4 athlete has strong alumni networks for many sports.

This ranges from Duke to University of Alabama.

Decent GPA means just like a 3.0…though not even sure that matters all that much.

The topic was IB recruiting. It has a training program too. you have to pass the modules or go home.