TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

In one sense, you are correct. It isn't necessarily "poverty" that was keeping kids down prior to the admissions changes. It was intentional action on the part of people with resources to leverage those resources in order to limit the accessibility of TJ to those experiencing Northern Virginia's version of "poverty".

This sort of behavior literally cuts the legs out from under the idea of the American Dream through a process called "opportunity hoarding".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

In one sense, you are correct. It isn't necessarily "poverty" that was keeping kids down prior to the admissions changes. It was intentional action on the part of people with resources to leverage those resources in order to limit the accessibility of TJ to those experiencing Northern Virginia's version of "poverty".

This sort of behavior literally cuts the legs out from under the idea of the American Dream through a process called "opportunity hoarding".

I am not against giving kids the opportunity if they truly want it. However, evidence shows that many more are coming in with the idea of taking the easiest classes, not working hard, being overwhelmed, and dropping out. Oh and the blatant cheating on tests. Some were caught. Who did the cheating? I don't know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only
a narrow range of metrics by
which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

DP. So one or more teachers have complained to you that students are lazy and that they have to gasp actually teach instead of put on a video and give out problems? Oh no!

Whenever I hear comments about TJ teachers, I become more unimpressed. I hope my DC gets different teachers than those next year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

My "I doubt" is no less factual than your "I talked to the teachers" and can be treated equivalently. Except that I'm saying that an unlikely thing didn't happen while you're saying it did, so you've got a bit higher of a burden of proof on you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

My "I doubt" is no less factual than your "I talked to the teachers" and can be treated equivalently. Except that I'm saying that an unlikely thing didn't happen while you're saying it did, so you've got a bit higher of a burden of proof on you.

As one example, the 14th ranking supports my argument that TJ is weaker while you conveniently disregard the ranking as worthless to suite your need.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only
a narrow range of metrics by
which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

DP. So one or more teachers have complained to you that students are lazy and that they have to gasp actually teach instead of put on a video and give out problems? Oh no!

Whenever I hear comments about TJ teachers, I become more unimpressed. I hope my DC gets different teachers than those next year.

Did your child get in under the new rule? Did they get straight A's?

[Anonymous]

I no longer care that TJ changed its admission policy or that the ranking dropped to 14. But it is annoying for people to claim that TJ is stronger when objective measures show that it is not. More diverse, yes. But certainly not more competitive.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

You're going to need to show your work on that one.

It's just another far-right conspiracy theory with 0 evidence. Admission is race blind. Asians just happen to be the most represented since they apply in greater number. This was true before the changes and still true afteward.

My fact is straight from the horse's mouth. The ones in the trenches. The teachers. Where are you pulling your facts to spin your agenda?

Strongly doubt this. TJ teachers in the past have been quite public about their displeasure with admitted classes and this is not happening in today's environment. You also have plenty of recently retired teachers who would be able to speak about this matter with zero consequence if it were a thing that existed.

But "I heard" isn't going to cut it in a conversation like this, any more than "I heard the new process selected for merit instead of test buying" or "I heard the new classes are even stronger than the ones before because it's harder to cheat".

You may have heard something from someone who told someone. Not me, I talked to the teachers.
Ofcourse if it doesn't fit your agenda you can throw in an "I doubt". Well that's not very factual is it?

My "I doubt" is no less factual than your "I talked to the teachers" and can be treated equivalently. Except that I'm saying that an unlikely thing didn't happen while you're saying it did, so you've got a bit higher of a burden of proof on you.

At least I don't ask myself for opinion, I talk to another person.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

Even the poorest communities in Virginia are considered privileged when compared to other parts the the country. It is not "poverty" that is keeping these kids down. It's laziness. On average, the past few incoming classes are putting in less effort than previous classes.

In one sense, you are correct. It isn't necessarily "poverty" that was keeping kids down prior to the admissions changes. It was intentional action on the part of people with resources to leverage those resources in order to limit the accessibility of TJ to those experiencing Northern Virginia's version of "poverty".

This sort of behavior literally cuts the legs out from under the idea of the American Dream through a process called "opportunity hoarding".

TJ’s existence is an exercise in exclusivity and opportunity hoarding, regardless of how they tinker with the admissions process. Those obsessed with the tinkering are partisans of a process called “tokenism.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"test buying" racist has been posting racist message for years

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/jforum.page?module=search&action=search&search_forum=60&match_type=all&sort_by=time&search_keywords=test+buying+

The individual has been using "test buying" as a cover to malign students enrolled in outside enrichment programs, effectively attacking Asian Americans.

No. You are making the race association.

Who benefited the most from the change?
“low-income Asian American students, as well as Asian American students attending middle schools theretofore poorly represented at TJ, saw far more offers of admission to TJ than they had in earlier years.” - court of appeals

court of appeals is bunch of characters. However,
"On February 25, 2022, federal judge Claude Hilton ruled that Fairfax County school officials violated the law by changing admissions requirements to deliberately reduce the number of Asian American students enrolled."

Yes, Hilton did write that opinion. And the appeals court that he spent 41 years of his career trying to qualify for - and failing to do so - threw out his ruling and thoroughly embarrassed him in the process.

There is a reason he was stuck at the District level for his entire career.

It was a 2-1 split panel. Hardly an embarrassing reversal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

1st to 14th is not a change for the better. Might as well give up and do the “merit lottery” so it’s at least not overt discrimination against Asian applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How pathetic School Board uses SES as a smoke screen to engage in racial balancing. Even more pathetic is the equity minion on this forum who keeps using SES disingenuously to disparage hardworking merit students.

Call me crazy, but I believe that underprivileged socioeconomic status and merit aren't mutually exclusive.

The problem is that you see only a narrow range of metrics by which you want to try to identify merit - and my guess is that that narrow range is one that happens to be favorable to you or your group in some way.

I don't think the new admissions process is perfect by any means, but the products of it are changing TJ for the better. Hopefully the new process will continue to be tweaked.

1st to 14th is not a change for the better. Might as well give up and do the “merit lottery” so it’s at least not overt discrimination against Asian applicants.

Sounds like you prefer BASIS, this year's#1 high school. Then send your DC there. I prefer TJ but you do you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I no longer care that TJ changed its admission policy or that the ranking dropped to 14. But it is annoying for people to claim that TJ is stronger when objective measures show that it is not. More diverse, yes. But certainly not more competitive.

What objective measures are you looking at?

[Anonymous]

TJ isn’t usually #1. The rankings are volatile because the infinitesimal differences between the top schools.

2015 #3
2016 #5
2017 #20
2018 #6
2019 #10
2020 #4
2021 #1
2022 #1
2023 #5
2024 #14