ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:My DD was at a previous local club and switched to McLean and it has been great- likes the coaching staff, gets good coaching, likes teammates, things seem less political, families are friendly. Overall has been a good experience

I’ll add to this — came from another club to VU. Coaches are caring and want true development (unlike previous club). Lots of respect in all directions — among players, coaching staff, parents.

Tryouts last year seemed a bit chaotic but selections, even where there were challenges, seemed appropriate in considering both internal and external players.

I’m not sure how McLean got labeled political? Yes, being the force behind mergers is perhaps political but not seeing it on the field (unlike previous club). Yes, there is going to be uncertainty and some players are going to be dropped from ECNL rosters but McLean boys (and fairfax) need help, the girls will get much stronger, and RL will be exceedingly better — this might help some girls develop even further than they may have as sub players on an ECNL roster.

Bumpy ride ahead.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA. McLean?? You don't know they were political? I have a 16 and 18 year old...and nephews raging in ages from 7-29 who all play/played club soccer and been on a McLean team or played against a McLean team. The parents are the absolute worst in politicking...and I've seen bad over the years. It's a bunch of rich lawyers' and lobbyists' kids.

This is going on every club. I do not see your point in this. McLean is not the only person with a deep pocket.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.

Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.

But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.

Brave was created from BRYC & VYS to replace BRYC ECNL which has contingencies to improve within two years. Now it’s two years Brave didn’t meet the requirements and ECNL will not renew their charter.

You are making that up. There is nothing that says they have two years. And I get a mom from Brave might think that, but highly doubt she knows. And what requirements didn't they meet. Facilities? Coaching license? Paying their bills? Travel? Tournaments? College placement? ALL of these were met in all age groups. Winning in all or some is not a requirement. Start clicking through all the other conference across the country. I get it's a message board, but it's not correct information. Cite me anything from the ECNL that says any club has two years.

Brave's parents? Still believe that Brave is running the show drinking MV Koolaid

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Mclean is at fault; why do they seem to make it look like they are doing great? The boy's side is in urgent care. What makes you believe that they are doing this out of kindness? They have real issues as well, hence the ENCL recommendation.

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Anonymous wrote:West Ham colors

Very, very close to it but with white replacing the yellow. Or so my crystal ball says…. 😉

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

Because McLean has actually delivered results. They have 8 high D1 recruits (3 UVA, FSU, UCLA, UGA, UMD, Wisc) that should be suiting up for this club next year. NONE of the VYS coaches have any experience coaching that level of talent or dealing with college recruiters…but sure, put KJ and MV in charge! KJ is on the US Club Board and can’t even keep his club’s ECNL slot in tact. Frankly, if you a BRAVE parent, you should want Union to lead.

Will the 08 and 09 teams have similar placement?

Yes, the 08 has a few that are able to play in the D1 level (I do not think it will be UVA or FSU) but other D1 schools

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I spoke with a Mclean RL coach and he told me they will be working with GF. He made no mention of the Brave.

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Going to love when this is all debunked and parents spent 40 pages debating about something that was never on the table!

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Anonymous wrote:I spoke with a Mclean RL coach and he told me they will be working with GF. He made no mention of the Brave.

You need to talk to ECNL coaches not RL

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Christ. I only have one more year of this sh*t. My oldest is off to college next year. I was really hoping to get through one more year of club soccer without having to drag a kid around to multiple tryouts...and buy another uniform for my youngest.

This isn't just these clubs. This is the entire youth club soccer scene and leagues folding and changing, etc. Youth soccer in the US is so ridiculous.

When we were in Spain-you just played for your neighborhood team. If you were beyond excellent--you might get scooped up by a scout.

This musical chairs crap is such a pain in the *ss. I am working in my attic right now and I can count 5 backpacks from different youth soccer clubs. 2 don't even exist anymore (and this is for kids still playing)!!

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Anonymous wrote:Going to love when this is all debunked and parents spent 40 pages debating about something that was never on the table!

If that is the case, I am happy to read 40 pages of BS than have to deal with going to different club tryouts

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Anonymous wrote:Going to love when this is all debunked and parents spent 40 pages debating about something that was never on the table!

I wish this was true. Oh how I wish it! But unfortunately, this is happening. 😢

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Anonymous wrote:I spoke with a Mclean RL coach and he told me they will be working with GF. He made no mention of the Brave.

You need to talk to ECNL coaches not RL

Coming from a chat that has failed to mention any evidence of this actually happening.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

You had me until you said the Brave Girls 10s, in 6th place (6-6-2, GD 0) and 11s in 8th place (5-6-3, GD -10) are strong. That is not strong, nice try Vienna Dad!

The 10s are better than their record this year. Last year, they scored over 70 goals, gave up about 25, beat both Union and Charlotte SA, and went to San Diego. They beat VDA 4-0 a few weeks ago, and should hopefully finish with a stronger record.

We’ll have to see how the 11s do in the spring, but they have already played Charlotte SA twice.

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Anonymous wrote:Christ. I only have one more year of this sh*t. My oldest is off to college next year. I was really hoping to get through one more year of club soccer without having to drag a kid around to multiple tryouts...and buy another uniform for my youngest.

This isn't just these clubs. This is the entire youth club soccer scene and leagues folding and changing, etc. Youth soccer in the US is so ridiculous.

When we were in Spain-you just played for your neighborhood team. If you were beyond excellent--you might get scooped up by a scout.

This musical chairs crap is such a pain in the *ss. I am working in my attic right now and I can count 5 backpacks from different youth soccer clubs. 2 don't even exist anymore (and this is for kids still playing)!!

Same boat. One more year and now this BS. 🤦‍♂️

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Anonymous wrote:Christ. I only have one more year of this sh*t. My oldest is off to college next year. I was really hoping to get through one more year of club soccer without having to drag a kid around to multiple tryouts...and buy another uniform for my youngest.

This isn't just these clubs. This is the entire youth club soccer scene and leagues folding and changing, etc. Youth soccer in the US is so ridiculous.

When we were in Spain-you just played for your neighborhood team. If you were beyond excellent--you might get scooped up by a scout.

This musical chairs crap is such a pain in the *ss. I am working in my attic right now and I can count 5 backpacks from different youth soccer clubs. 2 don't even exist anymore (and this is for kids still playing)!!

Me too! This is ridiculous. Youth Club and ECNL lack of seriousness. All this s** for what one or two kids who can excel at the national level? and US teams W or M are not doing great these days. Time to put the $ to something different, like a properly vacation trip or science or leadership symposium that my kids have missed due to soccer activity.