ECNL forcing Brave & Union Partnership

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

And McLean has done a fantastic job these last few years with both the girls and boys programs? Just let the process play out. Talent will rise to the top and hopefully most of it stays.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.

Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.

But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.

Brave was created from BRYC & VYS to replace BRYC ECNL which has contingencies to improve within two years. Now it’s two years Brave didn’t meet the requirements and ECNL will not renew their charter.

You are making that up. There is nothing that says they have two years. And I get a mom from Brave might think that, but highly doubt she knows. And what requirements didn't they meet. Facilities? Coaching license? Paying their bills? Travel? Tournaments? College placement? ALL of these were met in all age groups. Winning in all or some is not a requirement. Start clicking through all the other conference across the country. I get it's a message board, but it's not correct information. Cite me anything from the ECNL that says any club has two years.

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Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.

Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.

But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.

Brave was created from BRYC & VYS to replace BRYC ECNL which has contingencies to improve within two years. Now it’s two years Brave didn’t meet the requirements and ECNL will not renew their charter.

You are making that up. There is nothing that says they have two years. And I get a mom from Brave might think that, but highly doubt she knows. And what requirements didn't they meet. Facilities? Coaching license? Paying their bills? Travel? Tournaments? College placement? ALL of these were met in all age groups. Winning in all or some is not a requirement. Start clicking through all the other conference across the country. I get it's a message board, but it's not correct information. Cite me anything from the ECNL that says any club has two years.

You won't find it. ECNL doesn't have any standards, none of these leagues do. The last time there was standards was when the DA was around.

Not talking game day standards or etc. None of these leagues require clubs to have any coaching licenses, just SafeSport most of the time. There's no metrics related to performance standards. ECNL is run like a good ol' boys club at their leadership level.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

You had me until you said the Brave Girls 10s, in 6th place (6-6-2, GD 0) and 11s in 8th place (5-6-3, GD -10) are strong. That is not strong, nice try Vienna Dad!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

Because ECNL starts at U13 and needs to work for high school age kids to get recruited to play D1 soccer. That’s the point and it’s very different than being a good youth club. VYS might have a good program for little kids but if the same coach stays with a team from U9 to U16, that’s wrong. It takes a different skill set and is definitely bad for all of their individual development. Our TD would NEVER allow this. McLean may not have as good a rec or early travel program but they develop older kids and put them in position to succeed.

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The March 1 deadline is set by ECNL. It feels almost like the league is setting these clubs up for failure by not letting things get sorted out and announced before ID sessions.

This is incorrect. The local ecnl clubs picked March 1.

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Anonymous wrote:The March 1 deadline is set by ECNL. It feels almost like the league is setting these clubs up for failure by not letting things get sorted out and announced before ID sessions.

This is incorrect. The local ecnl clubs picked March 1.

Correct. This is a VA rule, other places don't have this. In fact some other regions don't do ID's for a few months, it actually is possible to be able to handle all the details of filling teams and holding sessions in may/June rather than March believe it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

Because ECNL starts at U13 and needs to work for high school age kids to get recruited to play D1 soccer. That’s the point and it’s very different than being a good youth club. VYS might have a good program for little kids but if the same coach stays with a team from U9 to U16, that’s wrong. It takes a different skill set and is definitely bad for all of their individual development. Our TD would NEVER allow this. McLean may not have as good a rec or early travel program but they develop older kids and put them in position to succeed.

It’s why they need each other. Otherwise, McLean may soon not have enough older kids to position. This isn’t 2018. Top tier kids now have more than 2 choices in this region and likely have options much closer to their home. It’s why McLean needs an arrangement of some kind with somebody. Their pipeline has slowed considerably. But an unbalanced arrangement with any partner worth doing it with will lead to how the SYC partnership ended.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

Because McLean has actually delivered results. They have 8 high D1 recruits (3 UVA, FSU, UCLA, UGA, UMD, Wisc) that should be suiting up for this club next year. NONE of the VYS coaches have any experience coaching that level of talent or dealing with college recruiters…but sure, put KJ and MV in charge! KJ is on the US Club Board and can’t even keep his club’s ECNL slot in tact. Frankly, if you a BRAVE parent, you should want Union to lead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:here's the problem though, there will always be a team at the bottom of the standings. If you keep booting the bottom team out, eventually you are left with only 1 team left.

Yes, but BRYC has been at the bottom for while.

But BRAVE is the ECNL club and it isn’t.

Brave was created from BRYC & VYS to replace BRYC ECNL which has contingencies to improve within two years. Now it’s two years Brave didn’t meet the requirements and ECNL will not renew their charter.

You are making that up. There is nothing that says they have two years. And I get a mom from Brave might think that, but highly doubt she knows. And what requirements didn't they meet. Facilities? Coaching license? Paying their bills? Travel? Tournaments? College placement? ALL of these were met in all age groups. Winning in all or some is not a requirement. Start clicking through all the other conference across the country. I get it's a message board, but it's not correct information. Cite me anything from the ECNL that says any club has two years.

I guess we will see once the announcement comes up

[Anonymous]

My guess is a true three way partnership. Bryc, VYS and McLean coaches each take 2 age groups. Practices are also across the three locations. Talent jointly selected. West Ham colors

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My DD was at a previous local club and switched to McLean and it has been great- likes the coaching staff, gets good coaching, likes teammates, things seem less political, families are friendly. Overall has been a good experience

I’ll add to this — came from another club to VU. Coaches are caring and want true development (unlike previous club). Lots of respect in all directions — among players, coaching staff, parents.

Tryouts last year seemed a bit chaotic but selections, even where there were challenges, seemed appropriate in considering both internal and external players.

I’m not sure how McLean got labeled political? Yes, being the force behind mergers is perhaps political but not seeing it on the field (unlike previous club). Yes, there is going to be uncertainty and some players are going to be dropped from ECNL rosters but McLean boys (and fairfax) need help, the girls will get much stronger, and RL will be exceedingly better — this might help some girls develop even further than they may have as sub players on an ECNL roster.

Bumpy ride ahead.

HAAAAAAAAAAAAA. McLean?? You don't know they were political? I have a 16 and 18 year old...and nephews raging in ages from 7-29 who all play/played club soccer and been on a McLean team or played against a McLean team. The parents are the absolute worst in politicking...and I've seen bad over the years. It's a bunch of rich lawyers' and lobbyists' kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is a true three way partnership. Bryc, VYS and McLean coaches each take 2 age groups. Practices are also across the three locations. Talent jointly selected. West Ham colors

Yeah, right. Let’s hand ECNL teams to random Vienna coaches who have never coached a high level team, or to BRYC ECNL coaches whose poor performing teams are why we’re here in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My guess is a true three way partnership. Bryc, VYS and McLean coaches each take 2 age groups. Practices are also across the three locations. Talent jointly selected. West Ham colors

It is not a partnership, McLean will be the lead in this.

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Anonymous wrote:The problem is player placement, it is all politics at Mclean and will hurt badly Brave players who are coming from a healthy environment.

Let's hope the selection process is merit based and not deep pockets getting their kids buried in the team since the coaches are in their pockets. If I were Brave, I will demand an independent coach to come assess the players at the tryouts and make the selection so its fair. The teams can make their Veo games available as part of the evaluation of each player. Unfortunately, this would not happen and there will still be weak links on the consolidated team (undersize, not fast and physical, technical skills lacking and always getting pushed off the ball).

The stronger players always have do more to compensate for this when they are in the game, like they are playing one or two players down. This creates a situation where the these stronger players are risking getting injured -- ACL, MCL tears. These coaches really need to clean this up.

Under Coach Kevin (Bethesda), this will never happen. The weak ones rarely plays and eventually are replaced.

In a new equal partnership and the new ECNL club it won’t be up to just McLean-Union.

hahaha, I would love to see you tell Nadir or Clyde you want an independent assessment. It's never been fair in these circumstances and it never will be whether you're talking about McLean or anywhere else. The incumbents on the Union teams have the upper hand until it is clear that an outside player is head and shoulders better. That's what sucks about this merger... if you're a mid-pack or lower BRAVE ECNL player, you're in a tough spot. As a parent, it's your job to know how this works and have a plan B at least. Demanding justice will get you nowhere.

Similarly, if you’re a mid-pack or lower Union player, you’re in a tough spot.
Union does not have the upper hand in the equal partnership and of course there will always be players that will be better.

If Union doesn’t have the upper hand, the people pushing this are complete morons. BRYC shouldn’t even be in the merger at this point. They ran their original ECNL program into the ground and didn’t even field boys ECNL-RL teams in the fall. All their girls RL teams had losing records with 2 winless teams. They should just get told to get lost. Vienna has only been at this for 2 years and BRAVE pretty much hollowed out their RL teams - their 6 boys RL teams combined for 4 wins. Vienna is in over their heads and giving BRAVE any control or coaching slots will just be club suicide.

Brave primarily is impacting the youngest groups, since prior to the formation, talent would leave the club for ECNL clubs (and form a domino effect). Much of that talent had already left for the oldest girls.

For the 2 age groups that have fed into Brave so far (2010 & 2011), Vienna’s ECRL girls are 11-3-2. They’re doing that while also feeding the vast majority of the Brave rosters (and the 10’ and 11’ Brave girls’ teams are strong).

Meanwhile, MYS has zero ECRL teams with winning records this year. Not a one, boys or girls. And SYC was making up the majority of the Union players for the same young ages where Vienna was doing it for Brave.

Why would McLean have leverage here and Vienna is in over their heads?

Because McLean has actually delivered results. They have 8 high D1 recruits (3 UVA, FSU, UCLA, UGA, UMD, Wisc) that should be suiting up for this club next year. NONE of the VYS coaches have any experience coaching that level of talent or dealing with college recruiters…but sure, put KJ and MV in charge! KJ is on the US Club Board and can’t even keep his club’s ECNL slot in tact. Frankly, if you a BRAVE parent, you should want Union to lead.

Will the 08 and 09 teams have similar placement?