Epstein Files

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the party who want to ban sex education in schools and ban books with sexual content also believe it's fine for adult men to have sex with 15 year old girls? I'm just making sure I understand the rules.
Reading about sex or learning how to use a condom - INAPPROPRIATE!!!
Sex with a 50 year old - NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

This is why I would never let my kids spend time at anyone’s house if I thought they might be maga.

[Anonymous]

I’m surprised at the number of suicides related to the Epstein files: Guiffre, Epstein, and Brunel (the French modeling agency owner who sent Epstein 1000 girls including his pre-teen nieces).

[Anonymous]

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Funny how the same people who will say a 15 year girl is old enough to make decisions are the same people who want to excuse 15 year old (white) boys of everything because they're "just kids."

Good point

Not if that 15 year old is pregnant and wants to terminate the pregnancy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:my thread just got deleted. I guess I am supposed to post here? Please people who else are in the released emails?!

The focus on trump in the emails and eventually in the files is, IMO, not going to have much political impact. BUT there are other people implicated and I'd like to focus on those people. I want all these blackmailable folks and awful human beings OUT of public life. They are persona non grata and can retreat to their private monied lives unless there is proof they were with underaged girls - then they deserve criminal prosecutions. If they were with of age prostitutes and just generally s*itty to vulnerable women or if they cozied up to Epstein knowing what he was, then they should be banished from polite society.

So far Michael Wolf and Larry Sommers. Who else? These emails have been out for over 24 hours so there should be more reporting on them, but so far it is just trump, trump, trump.

You want to focus on a journalist and a creep over the sitting POTUS. Denied!

[Anonymous]

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Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

IS there. Would you be ok with a 40 year old grown man sleeping with your 14 or 15 year old daughter?

Also, rape, molestation, and sex trafficking are different than statutory rape.

What's your point? Please tell me you aren't defending grown men having sex with girls who aren't even old enough to drive a car.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So the party who want to ban sex education in schools and ban books with sexual content also believe it's fine for adult men to have sex with 15 year old girls? I'm just making sure I understand the rules.

Adult men do not "have sex" with 15 year old girls. Those men rape children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

It’s illegal.

[Anonymous]

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At some point, someone is going to need to explain MAGA women.

If you are intimately tied to bullies, going along with the bully can be the easiest course of action. Hopefully then the bully sees you in a good light and doesn’t turn on you. The authoritarian mindset sees the world in terms of hierarchy, so there’s lots of jockeying for power and being sure that you’re in the best possible position in the hierarchy. Sometimes women can move up in their own, and there are plenty of awful women willing to do their own awful things to climb the ladder. But men still have all the real MAGA power, and ultimately the women can only hope to stay in their good graces. (See, eg, Phyllis Schlafley — after all she did to fight against the ERA, and despite strong professional credentials, she reportedly wanted a political post after the ERA battles and was denied by the old boys club she’d just worked to support. But I suspect everyone thinks that she’ll be the exception while she’s on top, only to learn the same old lesson every time.)

Also, women are offered psychological comfort tricks to keep them from feeling too torn about being on the side of the awful people — think of all the “she shouldn’t have been at his house in the first place,” or “where where her parents,” or “my daughter would know better” arguments people have used on this thread. I’ve seen studies of test juries in simulated rape trials that found conservative women held the most negative judgments against the hypothetical victims, even more than men. It’s a coping mechanism because distinguishing “your type of woman” from “THAT type of woman” makes you feel safe from ever facing the same kind of dangers.

This is called a Patriarchal Bargain -- look it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

IS there. Would you be ok with a 40 year old grown man sleeping with your 14 or 15 year old daughter?

Also, rape, molestation, and sex trafficking are different than statutory rape.

What's your point? Please tell me you aren't defending grown men having sex with girls who aren't even old enough to drive a car.

The opposite. I am saying that what we are seeing in the emails and what we learned from witnesses and victims is so much worse than simple statutory rape, which seems to be what people were suggested was a lower level crime that used to be “accepted” back in the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

IS there. Would you be ok with a 40 year old grown man sleeping with your 14 or 15 year old daughter?

Also, rape, molestation, and sex trafficking are different than statutory rape.

What's your point? Please tell me you aren't defending grown men having sex with girls who aren't even old enough to drive a car.

The opposite. I am saying that what we are seeing in the emails and what we learned from witnesses and victims is so much worse than simple statutory rape, which seems to be what people were suggested was a lower level crime that used to be “accepted” back in the day.

Thank you for clarifying!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

Yikes! Yeah, a lot of us think that child marriage is WRONG too, as it's perpetuated by groups like communities or churches, just like ... a pedo ring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

Gee, what do you supposed changed for women over the last 100 years such that they need not be married off by their families when they were still teens?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

It’s illegal.

It’s statutory rape and is treated entirely differently than an adult raping a child from infancy through prepubescence.

And it is not pedophilia, whatever the lay public wishes to say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Any grown man remotely interested in a 15 year old, is a massive red flag in sickness.

17 and 15? ok. 35 and 15? You're a pedophile, pervert, and incredibly sick.

I’m very liberal and I loathe Trump.

I’m also a former child sex crimes prosecutor with a mountain of training and experience in the field of endeavor. I think human trafficking is a scourge and we should root out everyone who assisted Epstein and who participated in the exploitation of these teenaged girls.

But I feel compelled to point out that not even 100 years ago, so within the last 2-3 generations, it was the societal norm for men in their late 20s and early 30s to marry teenaged girls. The men had established themselves sufficient to support a family and the girls were sexually mature and ready to be a wife/mother.

Obviously I’m not suggesting teenaged girls should be encouraged to marry and start families at that age, but some still do and if you are outraged you might want to recognize that ‘child’ marriage is still very much legal in many states in the USA, where ages of consent are 16 or 17 and girls and boys can marry even younger than that with parental consent or judicial approval. If this makes you angry, do something about it.

And to clarify a point, while To Catch a Predator made every American an expert on pedophilia, the fact is that pedophilia is a very specific paraphilia that involves a primary sexual attraction to very young children, from infancy through grade school ages. Hebephilia is primary attraction to prepubescent children 11-14.

Ephebophilia is primary attraction to sexually mature children age 14-19, and is not considered a disorder or sickness at all.

Are the millions of young and adult men - and even girls and women - who were sexually attracted to teenaged Britney Spears in her erotic music videos sick and disgusting? No, they were not. They were normal primates of the Homo sapiens variety.

Is it creepy for men and women in their 30s, 40s, 50s and beyond to primarily be attracted to teenaged bodies? Personally I think so, but I’m a sapiosexual who is attracted primarily to intelligence and secondarily to physical characteristics. I can certainly see a beautiful young sexual mature body and see the appeal. And I know it’s not sickness for other adults to feel the same.

What’s grossest to me about the Epstein scandal is that young vulnerable girls were groomed and used by adult men and women (at least one) as though they were mere objects, then cast aside.

I don’t know that I’m prepared to suggest that Celine Dion’s late husband was a sick pervert.

There IS a difference.

IS there. Would you be ok with a 40 year old grown man sleeping with your 14 or 15 year old daughter?

Also, rape, molestation, and sex trafficking are different than statutory rape.

Yes, which I set forth very specifically in my lengthy post.

[Anonymous]

Karolin Leavitt's comments yesterday when asked about the latest tranche of Epstein emails: This is another distraction campaign by the Democrat and the liberal media. And it's why I'm being asked questions about Epstein. Instead of the government reopening because of Republicans and President Trump." House Democrats on Wednesday released emails which they said raised new questions about President Donald Trump's relationship with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein and how much he knew about his abuse of underage girls -- an assertion the White House blasted as a "fake narrative."

If their reply will always be fake news, fake narrative or Democrat (sic) hoax, a reporter should ask about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor. If all of this is fake, why was Andrew stripped of his title and why was Peter Mandel fired? The UK seems to get it.