Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is there so much corruption in the Ukraine?

Russia is a far more corrupt country than Ukraine. And, unlike Russia where Putin is the criminal-in-chief, Ukraine has been cracking down greatly on corruption, there have been numerous high-profile arrests and prosecutions of people who prior to Zelenskyy would have been considered untouchable, along with recovery of embezzled funds. UN, IMF and many others who have been tracking corruption and acknowledge that the Ukraine of today is nowhere near as corrupt as it was prior. Also, every US taxpayer contribution of military equipment and other aid is databased and being tracked and monitored very closely, regardless of whatever propagandist nonsense you've heard.

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Anonymous wrote:Its sounding like Russia has fire control over the last road into Avdeeka. Ukraine is shifting the 47th and 82nd to that front as well.

Surely Ukraine realizes its waltzing into another Bakhmut? But then again, when you believe your own propaganda, you're bound to make big mistakes.

This has been an incredibly costly offensive for Russians. They've lost thousands of soldiers and hundreds of pieces of equipment. The Ukrainians are fighting from well-established defensive positions. Russians are advancing over heavily-mined open fields. Artillery is dialed in. They are getting obliterated.

Will they ultimately take Avdiivka? Probably. But they're resorting to using human waves of poorly equipped and untrained soldiers. The Chechens have been brought in to shoot Russians that retreat and there are now reports of soldiers refusing orders. It's certain death for them on that front. But Putin wants this victory before winter sets in. And Ukraine has decided that if Russians are willing to get destroyed here, they'll oblige them.

In the end, like Bakhmut, Avdiiivka will be just another pile of rubble. The Russian military will be significantly depleted. And the rest of the world will be left to wonder why are Russians so willing to die? It's roughly a quarter million casualties and counting so far for what was supposed to be a three day operation to take Ukraine. It's been a strategic catastrophe for Russia for which NATO will be forever grateful.

This is what happens when Ukrainians believe their own propaganda. You all still think Bakhmut was some big win where you ground down the Russians, instead of being a complete disaster that cost Ukraine 70,000+ soldiers. The propaganda is stale as well, with "meat waves" making a comeback. Are "meat cubes" and mobile crematoriums coming back too?

Avdeeka is shaping up exactly the same, in which you claim to be killing/destroying far more Russian assets than you actually are without counting the costs either. If Ukraine continues to pour men and material into a lost cause, they will suffer the same disproportionate loses here as well.

At this point, its hard not to argue that Zelensky is purposely getting as many Ukrainians killed as possible.

This is Russian propaganda.
There is zero credible evidence that Ukraine lost 70k troops at Avdiivka. Zero. None. And there IS ample evidence of Russia's failed wave after wave, entire columns of Russian armor destroyed. Russia's losses at Avdiivka have been even worse than their losses at Vuhledar. And from what I've seen it's been worse than 4:1 losses compared to Ukraine's losses. Every meter of gain has been coming at unsustainable cost to Russia.

You might want to try reading sentence #2 again. I'll take alternative casualty counts for Ukraine in Bakhmut if you have them.

Ukraine has claimed to be inflicting massively disproportionate losses the entire conflict. And yet somehow Russia is advancing. How do you square that propaganda circle? How is Ukraine constantly losing when inflicting 4-1 or even 10-1 casualties? Does Russia have necromancers?

In the last 6 months Russia has lost more territory than they gained. Yes, they gained a few KM to take Bakhmut (after turning it to worthless rubble) and they gained a few KM in Avdiivka but they are losing ground daily in most other places along the front. Along with losing an absolutely staggering amount of armor, aircraft, and having their once-mighty Black Sea Fleet banished from Crimea. As for casualty count at Bakhmut I seriously doubt it was 70k. Russia lost at least 40k from Wagner alone, and the visually confirmed loss of Wagner vehicles and other equipment is commensurate with that to provide corroborating evidence, but there is no such corroborating visual evidence to indicate 70k Ukrainians lost.

Keep in mind that the best public western assessments of Russian losses can only confirm some 34,000 deaths since the start of the SMO: https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/20/casualties_eng

That's a source that has names, ranks, week of death and other data. Any other number is a "trust me bro" type number. No one dares do the same for Ukrainian casualties because they don't want to get car bombed.

As for Avdeevka:

That's 200-300 casualties per day per a pro-Ukrainian count in Avdeevka. Is Russia losing 800-1200 a day? If so, where are their obituaries?

How do you inflict 4X or greater casualties and lose ground? Repeatedly? An army would absolutely break if they took sustained 4X casualties.

The Ukraine is simply propped up by lies and grift now. Its a shell of a state on the edge of collapse.

Yes, Russia is losing that many. Pro-Russian Telegram channels and pro-Russian milbloggers are calling the attack a disaster. Even if they succeed in planting a flag in Avdiivka it will have been a pyrrhic victory at too great a cost.

[Anonymous]

The more I read, the more I wonder? Was the unverified report true and he's stuffed in a freezer?

"Religious leaders in Moscow were given the extra-large table treatment this week. Footage shows them meeting with Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin around a rectangular table."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-using-massive-table-keep-140353359.html
https://twitter.com/raging545/status/1717509075053813762

"Putin is using a new massive table to keep his distance from officials — and it's just as ridiculous as the original"
https://www.businessinsider.in/international/news/putin-is-using-a-new-massive-table-to-keep-his-distance-from-officials-and-its-just-as-ridiculous-as-the-original/articleshow/104761857.cms

[Anonymous]

We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Appeasement? Don't think you understand, cupcake. Russia isn't stopping at Ukraine. Think Hitler 1938. There's a saying, "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you." That's a Trotsky quote btw.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Cut our losses?

You're kidding, right? We've only spent what works out to a few percent of our annual military budget and in return we've seen Russia's military capabilities getting gutted and Russia going bankrupt. We are eviscerating a major geopolitical threat. It's glorious. I say we keep going, full tilt ahead.

Get out of here with your dippy "cut our losses" crap.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why is there so much corruption in the Ukraine?

Russia is a far more corrupt country than Ukraine. And, unlike Russia where Putin is the criminal-in-chief, Ukraine has been cracking down greatly on corruption, there have been numerous high-profile arrests and prosecutions of people who prior to Zelenskyy would have been considered untouchable, along with recovery of embezzled funds. UN, IMF and many others who have been tracking corruption and acknowledge that the Ukraine of today is nowhere near as corrupt as it was prior. Also, every US taxpayer contribution of military equipment and other aid is databased and being tracked and monitored very closely, regardless of whatever propagandist nonsense you've heard.

DP. I like your starry eyes and how you believe

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Appeasement? Don't think you understand, cupcake. Russia isn't stopping at Ukraine. Think Hitler 1938. There's a saying, "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you." That's a Trotsky quote btw.

DP. They are depleted in ukraine

[Anonymous]

Ukraine will run out of men (or women) before the west runs out of money and weapons to send them.

Then the west will fund another country who wants to kill Russians.

It is just a solid investment. Putin provided a blue print for us.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine will run out of men (or women) before the west runs out of money and weapons to send them.

Then the west will fund another country who wants to kill Russians.

It is just a solid investment. Putin provided a blue print for us.

First, Putin invaded so if Russia pulls out of Ukraine - war over.

Second, Putin invaded so if Ukraine wants to stop not sure Russia will want to (they'll see it as a sign of weakness).

Third, this is not an "investment" this is a genocide against Ukrainians. They're fighting for your lives (which you might do someday if Russia isn't stopped now).

[Anonymous]

Each day the Ukranian lies become more shrill.

Putin is dead, Putin is dead!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Cut our losses?

You're kidding, right? We've only spent what works out to a few percent of our annual military budget and in return we've seen Russia's military capabilities getting gutted and Russia going bankrupt. We are eviscerating a major geopolitical threat. It's glorious. I say we keep going, full tilt ahead.

Get out of here with your dippy "cut our losses" crap.

doesn’t look like the money is going towards critical supplies needed by UKR hospitals and doctors, though. Where’s the money going?

https://www.ft.com/content/0f168ef9-d8a8-47c4-8883-017936cd0f2f

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Oh goodness sunshine. There are no "our losses" here. Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a gift from God for the West. Our most significant adversary over the past 80 years has seen its military capabilities utterly wrecked in the past 18 months. Poland, the Baltics, and Germany no longer have to worry about a Russian invasion. NATO has in fact expanded to include Finland and Sweden, which anyone who's been alive for more than two minutes, will acknowledge is a truly remarkable thing.

Most European nations have been all in with supplying Ukraine with the weapons they need to defend against the Russian invasion. The US is supplying 90s era weapons that were due to be decommissioned regardless. It's cheaper to give it to Ukraine than to decommission. And almost all that money stays within the US.

Think of it. For 80 years, Russia - and previously the Soviet Union - was an existential threat to everyone. We have spent trillions to counter that. And in 18 months or so, Ukrainians have eliminated that threat to the West. Absolutely heroic.

Supplying Ukraine is the cheapest investment ever. It's maybe 5 percent of the pentagon budget. The return has been priceless.

[Anonymous]

Fight to the last ukranian!

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Anonymous wrote:We keep being told to pour more money in this conflict while the Ukranians are “winning.”

Time to cut our losses.

Cut our losses?

You're kidding, right? We've only spent what works out to a few percent of our annual military budget and in return we've seen Russia's military capabilities getting gutted and Russia going bankrupt. We are eviscerating a major geopolitical threat. It's glorious. I say we keep going, full tilt ahead.

Get out of here with your dippy "cut our losses" crap.

doesn’t look like the money is going towards critical supplies needed by UKR hospitals and doctors, though. Where’s the money going?

https://www.ft.com/content/0f168ef9-d8a8-47c4-8883-017936cd0f2f

Fly over and figure it out for yourself. Bean counting in the middle of a War? You do that after.