Dr Ellie Mouth Care System.... opinions?

[Anonymous]

Someone on the flossing thread mentioned this dentist's web page and I checked it out.

http://www.drellie.com/

It seems sensible to me... and she doesn't seem like she is just trying to sell a bunch of her own special products or anything. She's recommending certain types of name brand products, mostly, except she does sell her own brand of xylitol gum and mints I guess.

I googled around to see if people think she is a quack but mostly all I can find is people complaining that she says flossing isn't really that necessary/backed in evidence...which now it turns out might be correct.

She seems to say that sometimes cavities can be healed/reverse themselves... which I'd think was quackery, except I had two small cavities once that I never got around to filling (as an adult) and a year later we did xrays and they weren't there anymore (or weren't big enough to need filling) -- same dentist. So I wonder about that too!

Anyhow, I was wondering if other people here besides the one poster who linked to her have tried or used her system, and what you think of it. Any reasons NOT to try it?

She says xylitol is SUPER useful in preventing cavities and I never even heard about it. My daughter gets cavities all the time despite pretty good attention to oral hygiene so I am looking for better ways to help her.

[Anonymous]

OP again.

So this nih website states that in the early stages you CAN repair "white spots" (signs of early decay) on the teeth. My daughter's dentist pointed out the early decay to me but just said to floss more.

http://www.nidcr.nih.gov/oralhealth/OralHealthInformation/ChildrensOralHealth/ToothDecayProcess.htm

When a tooth is exposed to acid frequently -- for example, if you eat or drink often, especially foods or drinks containing sugar and starches -- the repeated cycles of acid attacks cause the enamel to continue to lose minerals. A white spot may appear where minerals have been lost. This is a sign of early decay.

Tooth decay can be stopped or reversed at this point. Enamel can repair itself by using minerals from saliva, and fluoride from toothpaste or other sources.

But if the tooth decay process continues, more minerals are lost. Over time, the enamel is weakened and destroyed, forming a cavity. A cavity is permanent damage that a dentist has to repair with a filling.

[Anonymous]

So the basic system is this:


1) Closys mouthwash: 1 minute (bring the mouth PH to neutral or a little alkaline so brushing doesn't damage enamel)

2) Brush teeth 2 minutes with Crest Original Paste with sodium fluoride (NOT something with tarter control, whitening agents or triclosan.)

3) Rinse your toothbrush AND your mouth with Listerine. One which carries ADA shield (NOT one that has plaque, tartar control or whitening agents)
This disinfects your mouth and your toothbrush.

4) Rinse with a floride rinse particularly ACT anticavity fluoride rinse, and try to leave it on your mouth as long as possible (so do it just before going to bed)

Don't rinse with water at any point in this process.

[Anonymous]

Seems easier just to floss.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Someone on the flossing thread mentioned this dentist's web page and I checked it out.

http://www.drellie.com/

It seems sensible to me... and she doesn't seem like she is just trying to sell a bunch of her own special products or anything. She's recommending certain types of name brand products, mostly, except she does sell her own brand of xylitol gum and mints I guess.

I googled around to see if people think she is a quack but mostly all I can find is people complaining that she says flossing isn't really that necessary/backed in evidence...which now it turns out might be correct.

She seems to say that sometimes cavities can be healed/reverse themselves... which I'd think was quackery, except I had two small cavities once that I never got around to filling (as an adult) and a year later we did xrays and they weren't there anymore (or weren't big enough to need filling) -- same dentist. So I wonder about that too!

Anyhow, I was wondering if other people here besides the one poster who linked to her have tried or used her system, and what you think of it. Any reasons NOT to try it?

She says xylitol is SUPER useful in preventing cavities and I never even heard about it. My daughter gets cavities all the time despite pretty good attention to oral hygiene so I am looking for better ways to help her.

Dentist here.

The crown of a tooth is made up of 2 layers - the outer enamel, and under that, dentin. If the decay is still in the enamel, then yes, it can be reversed. Once the decay reaches the dentin, it's a done deal.

So no, not quackery at all.

[Anonymous]

I found her system very effective in dealing with gum pain and inflammation that regular brushing and flossing weren't taking care of. My gums were so painful as to be distracting on a day in and day out basis, but the mouthwash system (in addition to brushing with an electric toothbrush, flossing, and using a WaterPik) brought it under control.

On a different note -- it is possible to remineralize weak spots in the teeth. Our teeth are constantly in a state of demineralizing and remineralizing anyway. I don't buy the Stop Tooth Decay author's theory that a particular diet will necessarily promote remineralization over demineralization on its own, but a product like MI Paste will help remineralize teeth:

http://www.mi-paste.com/about_MIP.php

This is a product that several dentists have recommended to me and my kids, and it really worked on my youngest who had decay on her front baby teeth. It saved her from having to get those pulled or filled.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems easier just to floss.

OP here. I totally agree with you, but my daughter HAS been flossing. She's the most assiduous flosser in the house! Yet, she is still getting cavities. She doesn't constantly snack or sip sodas or juice either. I'd say she has a soda twice a week. Mainly she drinks milk and water. So, I'm looking for something helpful for her!

[Anonymous]

I as well as nearly all of my family members get cavities. It's a tough situation, but the truth is, good hygiene and diet may not be enough. Genetics and bacteria play a big part.


What I can suggest (which has helped us all reduce decay) is to 1. Use a prescription Fluoride toothpaste like Fluoridex, and 2. Chew sugarless gum that has the ingredient Xylitol. Between and directly after meals. Most Trident Gums have Xylitol.

I can't stress the Fluoride enough. My routine is Fluoridex toothpaste at night and Act mouthwash in the morning. This will make a big difference in disrupting the bacteria that she has.

[Anonymous]

I have very bad dental genetics, almost all of my mother's relatives have lost their teeth at some point. Dentists have told me that I have porous teeth and that I need to pay extra attention to them. I had to have a tooth pulled and a bridge implanted for me to really start taking it seriously.

I have used Dr. Ellie's system for about two years and I can honestly say that it has changed my teeth for the better, although I really do slack on the Listerine and ACT sometimes, though I use Closys twice a day. I also floss daily, no matter what.

My entire household uses Closys, it eliminates bad breath completely. It is costly, I have it on Amazon subscription at 3 bottles per month, but it has made a huge difference in our dental hygiene. We no longer have morning breath around here.

I also stopped using Crest, though the rest of the household still uses it. The only reason I stopped is because I don't like toothpaste that foams in the mouth, and I find that the Closys toothpaste makes my mouth feel cleaner, and works better with my electric toothbrush.

[Anonymous]

The Dr Peter McCullough interview with Dr Ellie https://www.americaoutloud.news/power-of-xylitol-in-dentistry/ As a senior, I found her gum health ideas most interesting. But she also advocates her methods for pregnant moms and enfants to completely prevent cavities and poor oral health from the start which is very inexpensive because it only requires xylitol at that early stage. Very persuasive.
Intro to above link https://www.americaoutloud.news/natural-approaches-to-dentistry/
https://drellie.com/about-2/ also check out the Q&A’s
https://drellie.com/complete-mouth-care-system/ Expensive, but so is standard dentistry.

[Anonymous]

The Dr Peter McCullough interview with Dr Ellie https://www.americaoutloud.news/power-of-xylitol-in-dentistry/

As a senior, I found her gum health ideas most interesting. But she also advocates her methods for pregnant moms and enfants to completely prevent cavities and poor oral health from the start which is very inexpensive because it only requires xylitol at that early stage. Very persuasive.

Intro to above link https://www.americaoutloud.news/natural-approaches-to-dentistry/

https://drellie.com/about-2/ also check out the Q&A’s

https://drellie.com/complete-mouth-care-system/ Expensive, but so is standard dentistry.

[Anonymous]

No the mouthwash shouldn’t come after the teeth brushing.

After teeth brushing, spit out excess but don’t drink water or rinse your mouth out right after. You are just washing way the paste before it does anything.

Brush for 2 minutes. It’s hard for kids to do so work your way up.

[Anonymous]

She calls herself a fictional dentist, yet she recommends toxic commercial products that contain chemicals and fluoride. I would not consider her a holistic dentist in any way shape or form.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Dr Peter McCullough interview with Dr Ellie https://www.americaoutloud.news/power-of-xylitol-in-dentistry/

As a senior, I found her gum health ideas most interesting. But she also advocates her methods for pregnant moms and enfants to completely prevent cavities and poor oral health from the start which is very inexpensive because it only requires xylitol at that early stage. Very persuasive.

Intro to above link https://www.americaoutloud.news/natural-approaches-to-dentistry/

https://drellie.com/about-2/ also check out the Q&A’s

https://drellie.com/complete-mouth-care-system/ Expensive, but so is standard dentistry.

Thank you!

[Anonymous]

Her links are interesting, but I will certainly continue to avoid fluoride.