Costco shooter was a cop... and all 3 victims were unarmed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how the story became that the baby was slammed to the ground when there is absolutely no evidence that happened.

Sure. It’s hilarious when children are placed in dangerous situations!

It is far from hilarious when children have to learn lock down drills because everyone running around in this country has access to guns. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I apologize if this has already been posted but I wonder how the situation would have unfolded if no one had been armed with a gun?

Most likely no fatalities or comas. And cop fathers going away to prison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Funny how the story became that the baby was slammed to the ground when there is absolutely no evidence that happened.

+1. Child was uninjured, didn't even need to be evaluated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

Did you pay out of pocket or did your health insurance cover the urgent care visits? Whenever I (or my children) have had an injury that required a visit to UC or the ER we get a letter from our insurance, asking if the injury took place on someone's property or was caused by someone else. i can only assume it's so they can get (sue) that other party to pay for the medical costs.

And yes, if you don't have insurance and did pay out of pocket for those visits I think you SHOULD so those parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

To treat your anxiety?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

Yes, I've shopped at Costco quite a lot actually. I show my membership card when I enter. Yes, I am aware that you can go into Costco just to check it out and not shop but I do not think that is why Kenneth French was in the store. He was there because his parents were using their own membership to shop there.

I have never encountered unruly kids running around Costco much less been sent to Urgent Care because of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

To treat your anxiety?

In one incident, a child knocked a huge can of green beans onto my foot. In another, a child scraped my back and side with a cart. I had a bleeding area the size of my palm.

[Anonymous]

I think that if this nonverbal man's behaviour was so egregious, witnesses would've come out by now with various versions of what they saw and there has been NOTHING.

I think a hothead happened to be a cop and happened to have a gun. I can't imagine having that much firearms training and still managing to decide to pull out a firearm in a public place, then to shoot three people, killing one. I will be VERY surprised if this can all be blamed on the nonverbal man.

The ONE detail that gave me pause was that the nonverbal man who was mentally disabled apparently drove a car (this info was from the cousin). Kind of sounds like a possible "Slow Donnie" situation but again, I feel like others would have witnessed such behaviour.

[Anonymous]

Interesting follow-up from the L.A. Times. Unlike with most shootings where reader opinions are pretty evenly split, the readers overwhelmingly do not believe the cop’s story.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-costco-shooting-reader-reactions-20190622-story.html

[Anonymous]

I have a 200 lb adult autistic son..he is medicated and has never been aggressive. Not once ever. But when he gets excited and walking fast he can bump into people. He also makes strange noises. My dread in life is that he will run into a trigger happy cop or trigger happy concealed carry person.
And then there was Ethan Saylor, a man with Down syndrome,right up the road in Frederick, who was killed by three off duty police officers who tried to manhandle him out of the theater where he had just watched a movie he liked and wanted to see it again.
People with intellectual/developmental disabilities are much more likely to be victims of police violence than the other way around.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Could the parents be held liable for bringing their unmedicated son into Costco?

He was an adult, so unless he was declared incompetent and his parents given legal custody of him, no, they can’t be held legally responsible. And even if they could, for what? The cop’s ER bill to check his bruise?

This has been a terrible nightmare for those parents, no question. But they used their membership to get their son into Costco and they more than likely did have some sort of guardianship over him if he was mentally incapacitated. I am NOT saying that they should be held liable for bringing him into the store, my question is COULD they be held responsible for bringing him into that store?

Have you never been to Costco? You actually don’t need a membership to enter, just to shop. You can also buy a 1 day pass or a Costco gift card.

Costco is also full of children running around, knocking things over, bumping into people. Can I sue the parents when their child injures me because he or she was allowed into the store on the parents’ membership. I’ve had two Urgent Care visits after dealing with others’ out of control kids in Costco.

To treat your anxiety?

In one incident, a child knocked a huge can of green beans onto my foot. In another, a child scraped my back and side with a cart. I had a bleeding area the size of my palm.

Which Costco was this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think that if this nonverbal man's behaviour was so egregious, witnesses would've come out by now with various versions of what they saw and there has been NOTHING.

I think a hothead happened to be a cop and happened to have a gun. I can't imagine having that much firearms training and still managing to decide to pull out a firearm in a public place, then to shoot three people, killing one. I will be VERY surprised if this can all be blamed on the nonverbal man.

The ONE detail that gave me pause was that the nonverbal man who was mentally disabled apparently drove a car (this info was from the cousin). Kind of sounds like a possible "Slow Donnie" situation but again, I feel like others would have witnessed such behaviour.

The family has verified that he was a probable schizophrenic. He apparently could drive, cook and at one point had studied Acctg/Finance in college. He also had posted on Facebook.

I'm not sure when he became nonverbal but that seems to have been a fairly recent development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting follow-up from the L.A. Times. Unlike with most shootings where reader opinions are pretty evenly split, the readers overwhelmingly do not believe the cop’s story.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/readersreact/la-ol-le-costco-shooting-reader-reactions-20190622-story.html

It's Los Angeles. If you lived there you would understand the anti-cop culture there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think that if this nonverbal man's behaviour was so egregious, witnesses would've come out by now with various versions of what they saw and there has been NOTHING.

I think a hothead happened to be a cop and happened to have a gun. I can't imagine having that much firearms training and still managing to decide to pull out a firearm in a public place, then to shoot three people, killing one. I will be VERY surprised if this can all be blamed on the nonverbal man.

The ONE detail that gave me pause was that the nonverbal man who was mentally disabled apparently drove a car (this info was from the cousin). Kind of sounds like a possible "Slow Donnie" situation but again, I feel like others would have witnessed such behaviour.

The family has verified that he was a probable schizophrenic. He apparently could drive, cook and at one point had studied Acctg/Finance in college. He also had posted on Facebook.

I'm not sure when he became nonverbal but that seems to have been a fairly recent development.

According to his facebook his university was McMaster University, which is in Ontario Canada. Did he actually move up there and attend in person, or was this through an online program?