APS VA Snow Day Projection

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

This area is different. This snowcrete and how it has been handled is different. Apples and oranges.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

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I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

But why? I'm a DP. The delay did not help my kids at all (except let them sleep in). It didn't change anything about their commute. Sidewalks and parking still sucked. 7 or 9.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

You realize that most parents have to go to work and can't just hang out daily until 11 AM, right?

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

But why? I'm a DP. The delay did not help my kids at all (except let them sleep in). It didn't change anything about their commute. Sidewalks and parking still sucked. 7 or 9.

The main benefit of a delay is it separates the school traffic from the normal rush hour traffic. Tomorrow is going to be a show. Not saying they shouldn’t try, but it’s going to be a mess.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

You realize that most parents have to go to work and can't just hang out daily until 11 AM, right?

I just don’t want a kid to be hit by a bus because he is standing in the street. If I thought there was is no possibility of that, then starting on time would be AOK.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

You realize that most parents have to go to work and can't just hang out daily until 11 AM, right?

I just don’t want a kid to be hit by a bus because he is standing in the street. If I thought there was is no possibility of that, then starting on time would be AOK.

Kids have had two days now to coordinate a safe place to stand with their bus driver. There's no excuse to not have a safe plan by now.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Totally. Six yo Billy and seven yo old Ava should have mapped out a plan already,

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

You realize that most parents have to go to work and can't just hang out daily until 11 AM, right?

I just don’t want a kid to be hit by a bus because he is standing in the street. If I thought there was is no possibility of that, then starting on time would be AOK.

Kids have had two days now to coordinate a safe place to stand with their bus driver. There's no excuse to not have a safe plan by now.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

The point is that the walkways are unsafe. Those who claim the ice requires only a 20 second detour need to get out a bit more.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

This area is different. This snowcrete and how it has been handled is different. Apples and oranges.

+1

How Chicago handles it is just not relevant to here.

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

The point is that the walkways are unsafe. Those who claim the ice requires only a 20 second detour need to get out a bit more.

yep, it's not safe to walk on ice or in the streets

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Anonymous wrote:All I have to say being originally from Chicago is that parents here are such helicopter parents. It's ice. It's snow. Walk a bit slower. It's fine if you're careful. It's not Armageddon out there - no fire and brimstone. It's not even horrible - it's not totally care but you can look both ways before stepping off the sidewalk for 20 seconds to avoid ice on parts of the sidewalk. Maybe not at age 5 but if you're 8 yr old can't do that it is bad parenting. No wonder our country is going downhill!

No doubt it’s the mom who is concerned about her 8 year old falling on the ice that reflects bad parenting and is responsible for the decline of the nation. Never change DCUM.

The mom was concerned about brain damage if her child walks outside when there is snow or ice.

Not Chicago poster but it’s a really thing we are collectively raising a generation of anxious children with not a lot of resilience. Not just a DCUM opinion.

Seeing potential brain damage when you see this storm aftermath is pretty indicative of how a person sees the world and parents so…

I personally know 2 people who were hospitalized from slipping on the ice last year, so it’s not as irrational of a concern as you seem to think. It may be overdoing it, but Arlington is not Chicago and that background probably accounts for some of the parent’s excessive concern for weather conditions someone from Chicago grew up navigating. To call it bad parenting is straight up DCUM mean girl bs.

It is not ideal parenting to use faulty risk assessment and not allow your child to do normal things they are capable of doing. People are managing their own anxiety to the detriment of childhood development skills of independence, problem solving, resilience etc.

This is not even some controversial take. Much talked about and written about.

+1

I do think parents and APS should lobby the county to clear "student highways" for sidewalks and crossings along busy roads near schools for safety reasons. Many of these are spots where there isn't a clear landowner who is responsible to clear the location and where traffic creates a real risk to students. But I also don't think we should keep schools closed or that my kid can't walk if there's frozen precipitation on the ground.

I'm not the poster you're responding to. I think the vast majority here would agree that schools should be open regular hours. I am frustrated with the mounds of ice and completely uncleared sidewalks along the "student highways." I know of three schools where this is a problem for walkers. All are on hills. All are on busy roads. I believe all are along county owned land. All are in south Arlington. Yes, I have emailed the school board and the county.

These spots exist in N Arlington too. Two are mentioned this thread. Do people think N Arlington got some special sidewalk/snow clearing treatment? We did not. Langston Blvd and Washington Blvd are impassable to pedestrians in most sections.

I was writing to posters who seem to think the ice covering student walking routes is no big deal. I specified south Arlington to give some idea of geography where I am seeing the problems. I'm sorry your schools are having the same issue. Maybe the more people chime in with specifics the quicker those who think the ice only requires a "20 second detour" will get out of their bubbles.

So what's your point? You want schools to say close until it melts? That obviously can't happen. I agree the county should be doing more and I'm happy to lobby for that. But all of the whining here is ridiculous. Schools need to open and kids need to figure it out. Kids all over Northern areas learn how to get to school with frozen precipitation on the ground. We're just not that special

Northern states have a bigger budget for snow/ ice removal and are more competent at doing it.

The snowcrete is starting to melt, but it’s not gone. The snow plows pushed mountains of the stuff on the sidewalks and street corners and if those aren’t cleared, kids walk or stand waiting for the bus in the street. Kids walking or standing in the street when it’s dark means the school district risks one of them getting hit by a car or bus.

So you want schools to remain closed? Is that really your position?

No, but a delay would be wise.

You realize that most parents have to go to work and can't just hang out daily until 11 AM, right?

I just don’t want a kid to be hit by a bus because he is standing in the street. If I thought there was is no possibility of that, then starting on time would be AOK.

Kids have had two days now to coordinate a safe place to stand with their bus driver. There's no excuse to not have a safe plan by now.

so it's the kids' fault now?