Gene Hackman R.I.P.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering if she even took Gene to doctors that often. Someone on the outside should have been monitoring his health. It doesn’t seem like he was getting the health care he needed. None of those pills found dealt with his heart disease. He only had a pacemaker. I could go on.


I hope this was not deliberate, but feel that she could have done far more for him. I think if doctors knew about the advanced dementia ( she probably hid it), then they would have been adamant about getting home resources for him, or suggest a memory care facility for him. It’s a tough thing to do, but we went both routes with my parents. Having care at home gave us more time with one parent, and saved a little cost, though home care is not cheap.

Memory care facilities are expensive, but help you gain your life back.

He lived to 95. It's absurd to say he wasn't getting the health care he needed when in actuality his wife clearly did something right during their years of marriage considering his advanced age.

I disagree. Didn’t the autopsy reveal that he was in very poor health? Heart trouble, advanced Alzheimer’s? Moreover, wasn’t he left alone while she ran errands? Wasn’t he found with an empty stomach? Didn’t he have a pacemaker? How do you call this good health?

The doctors said that he was in very poor health at death.
And it was due to his being left alone that he died.

I think you think that living to the age of 95 meant that he did something right health wise. He may have just had great genetics, or God wasn’t ready for him to go yet.

Look at Jimmy Carter. He lived to 100. Others live past that. And some totally healthy people may succumb to death at an early age. It doesn’t mean that they didn’t live right or wasn’t getting the best health care.

Are you blaming the wife for not feeding him when she'd already been dead for a week?

Yep, though you are twisting my words.

He obviously could not feed himself. Do you think that she knew that? Yet still ran errands away from the home and left him there by himself. She was his caregiver and had no plan b should anything happen to her or any delay with her returning.
That’s not right. It’s a certain degree of negligence or neglect.

As I shared, both of my parents had advanced Alzheimer’s. Eating, restroom function, bathing—those and functions decline over time. With one parent it was rapid. With the other, it happened over a few years.

He was totally dependent on her like a baby to a parent. If that parent dies, then the baby is without a provider.

It’s as simple as that. As a few of us have shared, he needed someone else watching out for him also. I am positive that a doctor would have recommended that. Under insurance, he could have had help paid for, given his condition.

She didn’t want this. And like it or not, she never expected a time where she could not provide and he would be alone. In her position of authority, she had options but ignored him. So yeah, she is responsible for his condition, else he would have had someone there who could have helped him and fed him.

I'm sorry about what happened with your parents but this take is insane. I guess good for you if it makes you feel better to blame the woman for not having predicted that at age 65, she'd be the one to go first of an incredibly rare condition.

You don't know what levels of care were in place for when she ran errands. You have no idea. And you have no idea if for 15 years he'd been just fine sitting in a chair for an hour while she got meds for their dogs. And anyway he didn't die because she was at CVS! He died because she died! Of an incredibly rare disease that she didn't know she had!!

I don't think paying for care was the issue. He had $80 million or whatever. It seems like it was just a string of very unlucky things.

Bullcrap! She ran at least four errands, one after another, the day he died. That’s about 2-5 hours away from home with no one there to look after him. I don’t care if it was unfortunate events, it was a possibility that she failed to plan for. The resources are always there. She chose to have tunnel vision on this.

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Anonymous wrote:I clean my own house too and am older than she; it's not money it's privacy and the transactions involved getting someone, having them around, etc.
As for empty stomach, that is not the same as starved to death. He may have been able to eat stuff they had.

But it was a risk that she took. She assumed that she could outlive him and isolated them from everyone. It didn’t end well.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering if she even took Gene to doctors that often. Someone on the outside should have been monitoring his health. It doesn’t seem like he was getting the health care he needed. None of those pills found dealt with his heart disease. He only had a pacemaker. I could go on.


I hope this was not deliberate, but feel that she could have done far more for him. I think if doctors knew about the advanced dementia ( she probably hid it), then they would have been adamant about getting home resources for him, or suggest a memory care facility for him. It’s a tough thing to do, but we went both routes with my parents. Having care at home gave us more time with one parent, and saved a little cost, though home care is not cheap.

Memory care facilities are expensive, but help you gain your life back.

He lived to 95. It's absurd to say he wasn't getting the health care he needed when in actuality his wife clearly did something right during their years of marriage considering his advanced age.

I disagree. Didn’t the autopsy reveal that he was in very poor health? Heart trouble, advanced Alzheimer’s? Moreover, wasn’t he left alone while she ran errands? Wasn’t he found with an empty stomach? Didn’t he have a pacemaker? How do you call this good health?

The doctors said that he was in very poor health at death.
And it was due to his being left alone that he died.

I think you think that living to the age of 95 meant that he did something right health wise. He may have just had great genetics, or God wasn’t ready for him to go yet.

Look at Jimmy Carter. He lived to 100. Others live past that. And some totally healthy people may succumb to death at an early age. It doesn’t mean that they didn’t live right or wasn’t getting the best health care.

Are you blaming the wife for not feeding him when she'd already been dead for a week?

Yep, though you are twisting my words.

He obviously could not feed himself. Do you think that she knew that? Yet still ran errands away from the home and left him there by himself. She was his caregiver and had no plan b should anything happen to her or any delay with her returning.
That’s not right. It’s a certain degree of negligence or neglect.

As I shared, both of my parents had advanced Alzheimer’s. Eating, restroom function, bathing—those and functions decline over time. With one parent it was rapid. With the other, it happened over a few years.

He was totally dependent on her like a baby to a parent. If that parent dies, then the baby is without a provider.

It’s as simple as that. As a few of us have shared, he needed someone else watching out for him also. I am positive that a doctor would have recommended that. Under insurance, he could have had help paid for, given his condition.

She didn’t want this. And like it or not, she never expected a time where she could not provide and he would be alone. In her position of authority, she had options but ignored him. So yeah, she is responsible for his condition, else he would have had someone there who could have helped him and fed him.

I'm sorry about what happened with your parents but this take is insane. I guess good for you if it makes you feel better to blame the woman for not having predicted that at age 65, she'd be the one to go first of an incredibly rare condition.

You don't know what levels of care were in place for when she ran errands. You have no idea. And you have no idea if for 15 years he'd been just fine sitting in a chair for an hour while she got meds for their dogs. And anyway he didn't die because she was at CVS! He died because she died! Of an incredibly rare disease that she didn't know she had!!

I don't think paying for care was the issue. He had $80 million or whatever. It seems like it was just a string of very unlucky things.

Bullcrap! She ran at least four errands, one after another, the day he died. That’s about 2-5 hours away from home with no one there to look after him. I don’t care if it was unfortunate events, it was a possibility that she failed to plan for. The resources are always there. She chose to have tunnel vision on this.

No! Not the day HE died. The day SHE died. SHE died first. HE died a week later. And even if she'd been home, it seems likely she would have died - and then he would have died, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

Why don't you drop it already? You do make a point, but at this stage it's irrelevant. She had no idea she had a life-threatening, fast-moving illness. Do you think she wouldn't have made arrangements for his care if she had realized she was fatally stricken with this disease? We're all human. She made a mistake, okay? Is that what you want to hear? She didn't anticipate dying first, and she made a mistake. So sue her.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

You're not talking about people who couldn't get care without insurance. They were rich. Presumably they had whatever care they wanted and thought was needed.

I’ll buy the part about whatever care they wanted. But I don’t buy the whatever care they needed part. The medical examiner seemed shocked at how poor his health was per the autopsy. He had extensive (Extensive) heart disease (basically a heart attack waiting to happen). He has advanced Alzheimer’s ( brain was in severe atrophy). And there was no outside help or assistance at the home?

Cmon guys, a 95 year old with these conditions and a pacemaker and no one is checking up on him but her?

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

Why don't you drop it already? You do make a point, but at this stage it's irrelevant. She had no idea she had a life-threatening, fast-moving illness. Do you think she wouldn't have made arrangements for his care if she had realized she was fatally stricken with this disease? We're all human. She made a mistake, okay? Is that what you want to hear? She didn't anticipate dying first, and she made a mistake. So sue her.

Okay, calm down a bit. My point is this. It takes a village and with his health, with anyone in a situation like his, she should had had more help. I get that many people don’t have the money or friend circle to get that extra help. But they did. They did!

Unfortunately the worst thing happened as a result.

Like I said before, it’s good that cases like this come out to allow others to think about their situations.

Really really sad about what happened to them. But she isolated him and that just never seems to be the way to approach a scenario like his.

That’s all.

I’ll move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

Why don't you drop it already? You do make a point, but at this stage it's irrelevant. She had no idea she had a life-threatening, fast-moving illness. Do you think she wouldn't have made arrangements for his care if she had realized she was fatally stricken with this disease? We're all human. She made a mistake, okay? Is that what you want to hear? She didn't anticipate dying first, and she made a mistake. So sue her.

Okay, calm down a bit. My point is this. It takes a village and with his health, with anyone in a situation like his, she should had had more help. I get that many people don’t have the money or friend circle to get that extra help. But they did. They did!

Unfortunately the worst thing happened as a result.

Like I said before, it’s good that cases like this come out to allow others to think about their situations.

Really really sad about what happened to them. But she isolated him and that just never seems to be the way to approach a scenario like his.

That’s all.

I’ll move on.

How in the WORLD do you know that SHE isolated HIM?

As for his poor health - for gd's sake he was 95 years old. He'd had heart attacks - do you think she could have repaired his heart with wishful thinking?

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Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

Why don't you drop it already? You do make a point, but at this stage it's irrelevant. She had no idea she had a life-threatening, fast-moving illness. Do you think she wouldn't have made arrangements for his care if she had realized she was fatally stricken with this disease? We're all human. She made a mistake, okay? Is that what you want to hear? She didn't anticipate dying first, and she made a mistake. So sue her.

Okay, calm down a bit. My point is this. It takes a village and with his health, with anyone in a situation like his, she should had had more help. I get that many people don’t have the money or friend circle to get that extra help. But they did. They did!

Unfortunately the worst thing happened as a result.

Like I said before, it’s good that cases like this come out to allow others to think about their situations.

Really really sad about what happened to them. But she isolated him and that just never seems to be the way to approach a scenario like his.

That’s all.

I’ll move on.

How in the WORLD do you know that SHE isolated HIM?

As for his poor health - for gd's sake he was 95 years old. He'd had heart attacks - do you think she could have repaired his heart with wishful thinking?

Can we just move on? Enough of this. I’ve shared my thoughts on this enough. You are looking to make an argument. Just read for goodness sakes. Read all articles out there. It would support the isolation assertion if you actually read stuff. The rest was stuff that could have been improved upon. Just read!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering if she even took Gene to doctors that often. Someone on the outside should have been monitoring his health. It doesn’t seem like he was getting the health care he needed. None of those pills found dealt with his heart disease. He only had a pacemaker. I could go on.


I hope this was not deliberate, but feel that she could have done far more for him. I think if doctors knew about the advanced dementia ( she probably hid it), then they would have been adamant about getting home resources for him, or suggest a memory care facility for him. It’s a tough thing to do, but we went both routes with my parents. Having care at home gave us more time with one parent, and saved a little cost, though home care is not cheap.

Memory care facilities are expensive, but help you gain your life back.

He lived to 95. It's absurd to say he wasn't getting the health care he needed when in actuality his wife clearly did something right during their years of marriage considering his advanced age.

I disagree. Didn’t the autopsy reveal that he was in very poor health? Heart trouble, advanced Alzheimer’s? Moreover, wasn’t he left alone while she ran errands? Wasn’t he found with an empty stomach? Didn’t he have a pacemaker? How do you call this good health?

The doctors said that he was in very poor health at death.
And it was due to his being left alone that he died.

I think you think that living to the age of 95 meant that he did something right health wise. He may have just had great genetics, or God wasn’t ready for him to go yet.

Look at Jimmy Carter. He lived to 100. Others live past that. And some totally healthy people may succumb to death at an early age. It doesn’t mean that they didn’t live right or wasn’t getting the best health care.

He was found with an empty stomach (if that’s true) bechzse his wife and caretaker died like a week before him! She must have been taking pretty good care of him if he was doing well and then after she died, he died pretty quickly because she’s stopped caring for him.

DP. She had him living in a rodent filled house with no interaction with the outside world completely isolated and dependent on her. At 80 million net worth there’s no reason she couldn’t have hired an exterminator and a housekeeper. But seems that it blew up in her face.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all. There are at least 3 different times he was seen out in the summer of 2024, including attending a public event. There is no evidence they lived in a rodent filled house. He as dependent on her as many very elderly people are dependent on their spouses. He may have still been able to do quite a bit of basic adls on this own and just needed her assistance. He had advancing dementia but we don't know what stage it was in or when it worsened. He wasn't close with his kids but they weren't estranged and were in contact on an irregular basis. His granddaughter was included in the family statement so clearly she knew him.

New Mexico officials publicly stated the main house was clean, that rodent evidence was found in other buildings on the property. She cleaned the house herself, nothing wrong with that. Evidence also suggests she took excellent care of him until this unexpected tragedy. But PP has a narrative and is sticking to it!

It's probably one of his kids.

Whatever. I double down on the fact that there were mice in the house. She didn’t go to the woods to fetch logs or even better, go to an abandoned barn on the property (no barn exists). The main house was over 8,000 square feet! One or more of those rooms had a few mice. End of story because it doesn’t take much for the poop to be everywhere.

Just because she swept it up or vacuumed it up doesn’t mean it didn’t exist!!

Or according to you, the Hantavirus mysteriously appeared from out of nowhere and infected her…


Or the invisible pile of wood on the property (that no one else saw because it wasn’t there)?was full of mice and disease, and she touched it somehow (though it did not exist)


Or better yet, the diseased mice only stayed at the far end of the property at all times. They never ventured beyond it, even with a door to the house open all hours of the day. They just stayed on their side of the property forever and she just mysteriously caught the Hantavirus from unknown mice sources (though investigators found poop and other evidence of mouse activity in other buildings on the compound)


They had mice in the house. Case closed.

So what? You probably have a couple in your house right now.

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These celebrity death threads sure bring out the wack jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:These celebrity death threads sure bring out the wack jobs.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pp here. Once we had my mom’s doctor diagnose her, her insurance company reached out and provided nursing and hospice resources a few days a week, all covered under her insurance plan.

This allowed my dad to take a break.

I bet you gene had insurance and probably had a policy that paid for part of all assistance. She didn’t want to use it. Surprised though, and I mean really surprised, that his doctor did not do more for him. If his heart was that bad, how often did he get check ups? If his dementia was that bad, how often did they reach out to doctors?

Both of my parents had access to resources and were given guidance. She didn’t not seek or want this for a 95 year old man.

Why don't you drop it already? You do make a point, but at this stage it's irrelevant. She had no idea she had a life-threatening, fast-moving illness. Do you think she wouldn't have made arrangements for his care if she had realized she was fatally stricken with this disease? We're all human. She made a mistake, okay? Is that what you want to hear? She didn't anticipate dying first, and she made a mistake. So sue her.

Okay, calm down a bit. My point is this. It takes a village and with his health, with anyone in a situation like his, she should had had more help. I get that many people don’t have the money or friend circle to get that extra help. But they did. They did!

Unfortunately the worst thing happened as a result.

Like I said before, it’s good that cases like this come out to allow others to think about their situations.

Really really sad about what happened to them. But she isolated him and that just never seems to be the way to approach a scenario like his.

That’s all.

I’ll move on.

How in the WORLD do you know that SHE isolated HIM?

As for his poor health - for gd's sake he was 95 years old. He'd had heart attacks - do you think she could have repaired his heart with wishful thinking?

If I have dementia, I would not want to live at all, let along to 95. He lived more than long enough.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering if she even took Gene to doctors that often. Someone on the outside should have been monitoring his health. It doesn’t seem like he was getting the health care he needed. None of those pills found dealt with his heart disease. He only had a pacemaker. I could go on.


I hope this was not deliberate, but feel that she could have done far more for him. I think if doctors knew about the advanced dementia ( she probably hid it), then they would have been adamant about getting home resources for him, or suggest a memory care facility for him. It’s a tough thing to do, but we went both routes with my parents. Having care at home gave us more time with one parent, and saved a little cost, though home care is not cheap.

Memory care facilities are expensive, but help you gain your life back.

He lived to 95. It's absurd to say he wasn't getting the health care he needed when in actuality his wife clearly did something right during their years of marriage considering his advanced age.

I disagree. Didn’t the autopsy reveal that he was in very poor health? Heart trouble, advanced Alzheimer’s? Moreover, wasn’t he left alone while she ran errands? Wasn’t he found with an empty stomach? Didn’t he have a pacemaker? How do you call this good health?

The doctors said that he was in very poor health at death.
And it was due to his being left alone that he died.

I think you think that living to the age of 95 meant that he did something right health wise. He may have just had great genetics, or God wasn’t ready for him to go yet.

Look at Jimmy Carter. He lived to 100. Others live past that. And some totally healthy people may succumb to death at an early age. It doesn’t mean that they didn’t live right or wasn’t getting the best health care.

He was found with an empty stomach (if that’s true) bechzse his wife and caretaker died like a week before him! She must have been taking pretty good care of him if he was doing well and then after she died, he died pretty quickly because she’s stopped caring for him.

DP. She had him living in a rodent filled house with no interaction with the outside world completely isolated and dependent on her. At 80 million net worth there’s no reason she couldn’t have hired an exterminator and a housekeeper. But seems that it blew up in her face.

This doesn't seem to be the situation at all. There are at least 3 different times he was seen out in the summer of 2024, including attending a public event. There is no evidence they lived in a rodent filled house. He as dependent on her as many very elderly people are dependent on their spouses. He may have still been able to do quite a bit of basic adls on this own and just needed her assistance. He had advancing dementia but we don't know what stage it was in or when it worsened. He wasn't close with his kids but they weren't estranged and were in contact on an irregular basis. His granddaughter was included in the family statement so clearly she knew him.

New Mexico officials publicly stated the main house was clean, that rodent evidence was found in other buildings on the property. She cleaned the house herself, nothing wrong with that. Evidence also suggests she took excellent care of him until this unexpected tragedy. But PP has a narrative and is sticking to it!

The evidence is the hantavirus.

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True story: At a job. Went to break room for lunch.other employees there. Sitting down and one minute later another employee said “shh”, I can hear it. I had no idea what she was talking about. Then she pointed and said “look by the water bottles—two mice.” I looked and briefly saw something move really quickly. And then a few seconds later I saw a tiny baby mouse hurry to a corner, it was fast!!

They run a little strange, but it’s quick! The baby ran into the sideboard but then found a crack, squeezed into it and disappeared. I was totally freaked out.

Later found out that we had lots of mice at that job. Even had a storeroom that me and my team had to count inventory in.

Poop everywhere. On everything. I won’t name the business because everyone knows the name. But it made me realize that mice problems exist in places that you would not believe!


Saw one at home. That’s why I keep saying that there were mice in the main house. We saw the poop, but did not see mice. Called exterminator. Long story short, I’ve seen mice and know how they work. Mice in that house!

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Also, mice don’t stay on the ground. They will climb on tables, furniture, etc. They are quick and like I’ve said before, poop as they go.

It’s a problem that you want to get under control very quickly, which we did.