Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

And I have a dream, that one day.......the city roads will belong to the people again - cyclists, walkers, scooters, the elderly, the children. And the cars, who will of course, be occasional guests on our roads. Parking garages and parking lots will be replaced by parks and other community amenities. The air will be cleaner, the streets will be quieter, the people will be healthier. It's important to dream.

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

And I have a dream, that one day.......the city roads will belong to the people again - cyclists, walkers, scooters, the elderly, the children. And the cars, who will of course, be occasional guests on our roads. Parking garages and parking lots will be replaced by parks and other community amenities. The air will be cleaner, the streets will be quieter, the people will be healthier. It's important to dream.

Uh, not to point out the obvious, but hardly anyone in this city wants to ride bikes. Look at the roads. We have all these bike lanes that hardly anyone uses. "The people" mostly want to drive. There's 500,000 cars in D.C. How many bikes? Maybe 1,000?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

And I have a dream, that one day.......the city roads will belong to the people again - cyclists, walkers, scooters, the elderly, the children. And the cars, who will of course, be occasional guests on our roads. Parking garages and parking lots will be replaced by parks and other community amenities. The air will be cleaner, the streets will be quieter, the people will be healthier. It's important to dream.

Uh, not to point out the obvious, but hardly anyone in this city wants to ride bikes. Look at the roads. We have all these bike lanes that hardly anyone uses. "The people" mostly want to drive. There's 500,000 cars in D.C. How many bikes? Maybe 1,000?

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that would be almost one car per person (including children)

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

And I have a dream, that one day.......the city roads will belong to the people again - cyclists, walkers, scooters, the elderly, the children. And the cars, who will of course, be occasional guests on our roads. Parking garages and parking lots will be replaced by parks and other community amenities. The air will be cleaner, the streets will be quieter, the people will be healthier. It's important to dream.

Uh, not to point out the obvious, but hardly anyone in this city wants to ride bikes. Look at the roads. We have all these bike lanes that hardly anyone uses. "The people" mostly want to drive. There's 500,000 cars in D.C. How many bikes? Maybe 1,000?

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that would be almost one car per person (including children)

Uh, what? There's 700,000 people in D.C. There's more than 300,000 cars registered in D.C. There's probably at least half as many that aren't registered because registering your car is comically expensive. So, yeah, probably, a half-million cars in the city.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

I hate to break it to you but cyclists and pedestrians have as much right to use the local roads as drivers do. Also there are some who cannot afford to purchase and maintain and store a car, and their only mode of transportation is to bike or walk or use public transportation. So your question of "why bike" if there are so many bad drivers is not only daft, it is insensitive to those who do not have any other means.

And can you clarify, do you mean to say that when you have to wait an additional minute or 2 to wait for a group of cyclists, that means to you that they are not sharing the road?

And I have a dream, that one day.......the city roads will belong to the people again - cyclists, walkers, scooters, the elderly, the children. And the cars, who will of course, be occasional guests on our roads. Parking garages and parking lots will be replaced by parks and other community amenities. The air will be cleaner, the streets will be quieter, the people will be healthier. It's important to dream.

Uh, not to point out the obvious, but hardly anyone in this city wants to ride bikes. Look at the roads. We have all these bike lanes that hardly anyone uses. "The people" mostly want to drive. There's 500,000 cars in D.C. How many bikes? Maybe 1,000?

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that would be almost one car per person (including children)

Uh, what? There's 700,000 people in D.C. There's more than 300,000 cars registered in D.C. There's probably at least half as many that aren't registered because registering your car is comically expensive. So, yeah, probably, a half-million cars in the city.

Even if that's true, it is possible to have multiple means of transportation.
My wife has a car and I ride my bike. I'm sure that even though she is a driver, she also wants me to have safe routes for biking, much as I want her to have a safe driving experience. I don't know what else to tell you except that either you don't have the rousing support you think you do, or that you are just really bad at advocating for what you want. The city is trending to being more environmentally friendly and bike/pedestrian/public trans friendly, despite the hundreds of thousands of cars that you seem to think are against it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

It's hard to tell if you're really this obtuse or if being really into bikes is like being in a cult and you just believe nonsensical things.

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

It's hard to tell if you're really this obtuse or if being really into bikes is like being in a cult and you just believe nonsensical things.

The "proof" about why biking is dangerous is that it is dangerous to "pull out in front of an SUV." So that means biking isn't dangerous unless there is an SUV around that is being driven by someone who isn't paying attention? Which is what everyone is arguing- it isn't biking that is dangerous it is inattentive drivers in vehicles that are too big. Which is why people advocate for bike lanes and traffic calming.

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

It's hard to tell if you're really this obtuse or if being really into bikes is like being in a cult and you just believe nonsensical things.

The "proof" about why biking is dangerous is that it is dangerous to "pull out in front of an SUV." So that means biking isn't dangerous unless there is an SUV around that is being driven by someone who isn't paying attention? Which is what everyone is arguing- it isn't biking that is dangerous it is inattentive drivers in vehicles that are too big. Which is why people advocate for bike lanes and traffic calming.

Not sure what difference the size of someone's car makes. And there's no evidence that people are any more or less distracted than they used to be. How would you even measure that?

Here's an idea: Maybe it's just not a very smart idea to be a tubby white guy in spandex on a bike going down Connecticut Avenue with thousands of two two cars whizzing within a couple feet of you. It only takes one stoned driver or drunk or someone arguing with their kid to put you in your grave.

Seems like common sense, but you sound like the sort who would want to know why children aren't allowed to ride pogo sticks on the beltway.

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

It's hard to tell if you're really this obtuse or if being really into bikes is like being in a cult and you just believe nonsensical things.

The "proof" about why biking is dangerous is that it is dangerous to "pull out in front of an SUV." So that means biking isn't dangerous unless there is an SUV around that is being driven by someone who isn't paying attention? Which is what everyone is arguing- it isn't biking that is dangerous it is inattentive drivers in vehicles that are too big. Which is why people advocate for bike lanes and traffic calming.

Not sure what difference the size of someone's car makes. And there's no evidence that people are any more or less distracted than they used to be. How would you even measure that?

Here's an idea: Maybe it's just not a very smart idea to be a tubby white guy in spandex on a bike going down Connecticut Avenue with thousands of two two cars whizzing within a couple feet of you. It only takes one stoned driver or drunk or someone arguing with their kid to put you in your grave.

Seems like common sense, but you sound like the sort who would want to know why children aren't allowed to ride pogo sticks on the beltway.

There’s a few of us your responding too. I do admire you continuing to grasp at straws, now by using body shaming and straw men. I haven’t seen one person advocate for pulling in front of suvs or whizzing down Ct ave (although as a driver you should want bikes whizzing to keep up rates of traffic). It’s honestly fun as hell to keep responding and putting you in your place, so please stay mad

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Anonymous wrote:Some fun facts:

Car crashes kill 34,000 people each year in the US and car emissions kill 30,000.

In 2020, 932 cyclists and 6,700 pedestrians were killed in motor vehicle crashes.

Some more bad news for drivers: Motorists at fault in 90% of crashes with pedestrians and cyclists.

Good news for drivers: Most at-fault motorists who kill cyclists and pedestrians get off the hook. They don't get charged, cited or, often even found.

So let's talk again about how drivers who don't stop at stop signs are the problem. I would rather risk the chance of my vision or judgment being flawed as I roll through a stop sign, rather than stop and risk being rear-ended by a distracted driver behind me and end up under their car.

Congrats. You win the contest for dumbest argument on DCUM (and that is such a low bar!). You can just say you're too lazy to stop at stop signs. We all know that's the answer anyway.

And what exactly is your argument? That I should be penalized for choosing to do what I feel is safer for myself and others?

When I first started biking on the roads, I followed all the "traffic rules" like stopping at every stop sign. Multiple times, I experienced one of the 3 scenarios- a driver in a rush to pass me at a stop sign, zoom past me, and cut me off to make a right turn, almost crashing into me in the process. A driver behind me, slamming on their brakes at the last minute and honking very loudly. A frustrated driver tailgating me, and then revving their engine to close-pass me after.

When I got more experienced and started using my better judgment over following outdated traffic rules designed for cars and not bikes, I had a lot less of these close calls.

Sweetie, every single thing about riding a bike in a major city is dangerous. It's not just the part where you have to obey traffic laws. Seriously, it's like ya'll are in some crazy cult and have convinced yourself of some insane bullshit.

I don't think you realize that you haven't made a single real point.

I don't understand what it means to be "dangerous" aka do you have statistics or data that you'd like to use, or is your assessment on a scale of dangerous to not as dangerous.

If it is dangerous, then it would make sense that our leaders would work to make it safer, as it is a more sustainable, efficient, environmentally friendly way to travel.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Drivers have made many salient and intelligent points here you just don't agree because you like to go fast on your bike. And not one biker has answered the question of why bike if it's so dangerous and there are so many bad drivers? How are YOU sharing the road when you bike two by two or in large packs?

You keep asserting that cycling is dangerous without offering a whisper of a scintilla of a shred of evidence.

You're right. You should get on your bike and pull out in front of a SUV just to show us how un-dangerous it is. That'll show us.

By that logic, you should just drive the wrong way on the highway to show us how un dangerous driving is. These examples are hilariously bad.

It's hard to tell if you're really this obtuse or if being really into bikes is like being in a cult and you just believe nonsensical things.

The "proof" about why biking is dangerous is that it is dangerous to "pull out in front of an SUV." So that means biking isn't dangerous unless there is an SUV around that is being driven by someone who isn't paying attention? Which is what everyone is arguing- it isn't biking that is dangerous it is inattentive drivers in vehicles that are too big. Which is why people advocate for bike lanes and traffic calming.

Not sure what difference the size of someone's car makes. And there's no evidence that people are any more or less distracted than they used to be. How would you even measure that?

Here's an idea: Maybe it's just not a very smart idea to be a tubby white guy in spandex on a bike going down Connecticut Avenue with thousands of two two cars whizzing within a couple feet of you. It only takes one stoned driver or drunk or someone arguing with their kid to put you in your grave.

Seems like common sense, but you sound like the sort who would want to know why children aren't allowed to ride pogo sticks on the beltway.

There’s a few of us your responding too. I do admire you continuing to grasp at straws, now by using body shaming and straw men. I haven’t seen one person advocate for pulling in front of suvs or whizzing down Ct ave (although as a driver you should want bikes whizzing to keep up rates of traffic). It’s honestly fun as hell to keep responding and putting you in your place, so please stay mad

So you and a couple buddies coordinate to sit on these boards night and day to post clearly ridiculous things about bicycles as an astroturf campaign? How bizarre.

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I don't understand why drivers are so mad. There's hardly any traffic out because not many people are driving. I'm looking out my window and I'm barely seeing anyone drive by.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why drivers are so mad. There's hardly any traffic out because not many people are driving. I'm looking out my window and I'm barely seeing anyone drive by.

Yet we keep building roads...