D.C. needs to get a lot more car friendly

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

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Interstates and ring roads obliterated almost every CBD in the United States, bar a small few - Manhattan being the only real exception - that retained some semblance of a public transportation system and pedestrian walkability.

But now car infrastructure is necessary to protect the same CBDs that they devastated? That’s really some Jedi mind trick shit. Go work for Boeing.

Do people come here straight from Mars without bothering to read anything about the history of the places they wax lyrical here. I knew DCUM was ridiculous, but this? Come on . . .

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

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Thanks to you cagers, we’re all probably going to perish anyway in heatwaves or be slaughtered in conflicts over water, so I guess we might as well make it nice and convenient to get downtown to Macy’s so we can ride out the climate apocalypse in style. Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em!

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks to you cagers, we’re all probably going to perish anyway in heatwaves or be slaughtered in conflicts over water, so I guess we might as well make it nice and convenient to get downtown to Macy’s so we can ride out the climate apocalypse in style. Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em!

Yeah, Macy's has air conditioning you know. So problem solved?

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

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LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

100%

It's like when drivers slam Muriel Bowser as being, get this, too soft on violent crime because unenforced bike lanes are being installed. All because drivers are bitter that DC's transportation policy is no longer 100% focused on increasing convenience for metro area drivers while reducing costs and responsibility.

This is misguided and not business friendly. People will leave DC and downtown businesses will be hurt. It's also a policy that hurts middle and lower income workers who don't live on the metro line/live far out from DC.

lower income workers are not driving into DC and paying $30 to park.You’re making an argument for better buses and metro.

You don’t really understand do you? Who do you think is parking all day with the handicap tags?

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

yes, improving public transit and creating urban amenities is exactly what eroded tax bases. Exactly! People really hate it.

Also I’m not sure why you are obsessed with “pedestrianized zones.” Some pedestrianized zones (aka parks and malls and plazas) are important amenities. but it’s also about making traffic slower & safer to share the roads.

You seem to not be paying attention or are being deliberately obtuse. Parks are great and important amenities in a city. What kills cities are making deliberate choices to reduce circulation of people, good and services. That’s your city’s economy.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

This is a joke. The only time of day this would be possible is 2 AM and your “objective evidence” is using your subjective eyes. LOL.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

yes, improving public transit and creating urban amenities is exactly what eroded tax bases. Exactly! People really hate it.

Also I’m not sure why you are obsessed with “pedestrianized zones.” Some pedestrianized zones (aka parks and malls and plazas) are important amenities. but it’s also about making traffic slower & safer to share the roads.

You seem to not be paying attention or are being deliberately obtuse. Parks are great and important amenities in a city. What kills cities are making deliberate choices to reduce circulation of people, good and services. That’s your city’s economy.

Nobody is making the decision to reduce circulation of people. Cars are not people. You can fit so many more people in the space of cars by using buses, trains, bikes etc. you don’t have to cater to cars to get there.

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Anonymous wrote:Interstates and ring roads obliterated almost every CBD in the United States, bar a small few - Manhattan being the only real exception - that retained some semblance of a public transportation system and pedestrian walkability.

But now car infrastructure is necessary to protect the same CBDs that they devastated? That’s really some Jedi mind trick shit. Go work for Boeing.

Do people come here straight from Mars without bothering to read anything about the history of the places they wax lyrical here. I knew DCUM was ridiculous, but this? Come on . . .

This is ahistorical and quite funny. I suppose that you wish more US cities were like Amsterdam? You may want to look at a map because Amsterdam has, you guessed it, a ring road. But yes, tell me more about how ring roads “devastated” cities.

It honestly seems quite evangelical how assured you are of your world view despite it being contrary to actual facts. You are welcome to have aesthetic preferences about your built environment, just as I do or anyone else. You are not welcome to invent your own facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

You apocalyptic doom and gloomers are the best. Society isn’t going to collapse upon itself if cars can’t go 35 in a residential area

Driving arguments to extremes doesn’t seem like a great way to deal with issues. No, society will not collapse. What will happen is that you will be paying increasingly higher cost for worse services and poorer quality of life. I keep hearing this call for a “vibrant” city but the policy choices are really to suburbanize the city, which seems like the worst of both worlds.

When you say higher costs for worse services and poorer quality of life, that sounds like the deal we get with car dependency. You’re so close.

You must be a millennial because you clearly cannot imagine a low quality urban future of empty storefronts and low quality retail establishments.

What will be interesting is that it will be white flight to the cities that will destroy them. You want to turn your neighborhood into the cul de sac you grew up in. Cities however don’t work that way.

so let me get this straight: you need to be able to drive 60 MPH through DC’s residential neighborhoods, right to downtown, and then be able to roll up and park your car for free in front of Gallery Place to go to the movies? Or the zombie apocalypse will happen to DC?

Have you … even ever been to a city?

NP: There is no free parking (apart from Sundays) in DC. Parking is revenue generating for the city and it's now been vastly reduced. Who's driving 60 MPH. And if anyone ever does, why isn't it being enforced with points and tickets that would have a real impact on driving behavior (instead of cameras that don't issue any points for driving infractions)?

There are plenty of places where you can park free for a couple of hours. Do you ever leave K St?

And plenty of people hot 60 mph. Have you ever been on Georgia Ave? 16th St? The right hand parking lane when a responsible driver comes to a stop for a pedestrian in a crosswalk but the person behind them is too important to wait?

There is no police traffic enforcement. They don't care. The best way to slow things down is to build roads that don't look like 8 lane highways.

Do you even live here? There is nowhere in DC where you can go 60 mph

For a long time. You've never seen someone doing 60 on a city road? Have you even visited here?

Which road can you drive 60 MPH on that’s not an interstate highway?

Georgia Ave
South Dakota Ave
16th St
Minnesota Ave
Southern Ave

There's objective evidence from speed cameras that people are doing this of you're too lazy to open your eyes, or if your home in Iowa is too far away to know.

This is a joke. The only time of day this would be possible is 2 AM and your “objective evidence” is using your subjective eyes. LOL.

Speed cameras aren't objective anymore? Go back to kindergarten. You fail.

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Anonymous wrote:I think DC needs to be less car friendly and charge cars to enter DC like London. Maryland drivers cut through my neighborhood speeding and ignoring stop signs. F**k commuters!! You have zero respect for Dc residents.

I agree 100%. My kids and I almost get mowed down by these jacka$$es on the regular just trying to get to school, doesn’t matter that we always cross with the walk sign/in the crosswalk the MD drivers have no respect for traffuc laws and would happily run over my kids if it means getting to work 2 minutes faster. F these people I’m so sick of DC bending over backwards to make them happy

As someone who lives near NIH, let me assure you that there is no state monopoly on inconsiderate commuters. I see plenty of DC drivers who exhibit selfish dangerous behavior all the time.

And DC is responsible for funneling commuter traffic onto residential streets. You want to keep commuters off the back streets? Reopen Beach Drive, fine double-parkers who turn main thoroughfares into one-way roads, and bring back the rush hour shift for Connecticut Avenue, and most of us who drive into our DC offices will stay on the arterial roads.

LOL. No. I want you to ride the metro, WFH, or just take a lot longer to drive to your office because you have to do it slowly and safely. I don’t gaf about your convenience, deal with the consequences of your own choice to live far away from where you work. The entitlement and total lack of self awareness is unreal with you people

I am curious how much you will be LOLing as the commuters decide to stay away and the DC tax base suffers. The “rich” in DC just got one tax increase. That should give you a good indicator of where the DC government will make up shortfalls when revenues fall due to reduced commercial property tax revenue and lost sales tax.

What you will quickly learn is that it’s not just pedestrianized zones that cannot survive without people coming in regularly and spending their money, but this applies to whole cities too. Cities cannot survive without the daily free movement of goods, people and services that seem to offend your bourgeois liberal sensibilities.

yes, improving public transit and creating urban amenities is exactly what eroded tax bases. Exactly! People really hate it.

Also I’m not sure why you are obsessed with “pedestrianized zones.” Some pedestrianized zones (aka parks and malls and plazas) are important amenities. but it’s also about making traffic slower & safer to share the roads.

You seem to not be paying attention or are being deliberately obtuse. Parks are great and important amenities in a city. What kills cities are making deliberate choices to reduce circulation of people, good and services. That’s your city’s economy.

Nobody is making the decision to reduce circulation of people. Cars are not people. You can fit so many more people in the space of cars by using buses, trains, bikes etc. you don’t have to cater to cars to get there.

You do realize that there is actual data from traffic volume and bike lane counts that quite easily dispute this right?

Your hope is that by making it less convenient for cars that people will use alternative transportation options. The reality is that is just not happening. However what is happening is that lower road capacity leads to lower throughout so yes, there are marginally fewer cars on the road. But there is no change in congestion (induced demand!). But that lost throughput is going somewhere else and those are people with jobs and money or deliveries not made or conferences not had - which is your economy. Keep reducing capacity and I’m sure you’ll finally get the outcome that you’re looking for.