FCPS Boundary Review Updates

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The zip code suggestion is the dumbest idea yet.

Suggest the proponents look up a zip code map of Fairfax County.

And, who gets to go to Madison? Robinson? Lewis? Edison? etc.

You didn't read the post.

I suggested that if the neighborhood shares a zip code with the high school, they should not be able to be rezoned from the high school.

I believe your post is well-intended, but you appear to have run afoul of stage 2 of the Emerald Chase opportunity play:

Stage 1: flood other feedback sessions with upgrade requests.

Stage 2: weaponize Langley against anyone who opposes the opportunity play by framing their plight as similar to the Herndon-addressed, Langley-zoned homes (it is not evenly close to being the same thing)

What are you talking about?

I have never even heard of Emerald Chase until last night, around 4 pages back.

What does Langley have to do with high school zip codes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

The zip codes are fairly compact, and would form a fairly dense compact frozen boundary around each high school.

Look at a map.

The high school boundaries in most areas are very convoluted.

The zip code boundaries are not. They are dense and compact

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

22046 is not the same zip code as Falls Church HS 22042.

Your 22046 house could still be zoned for Falls Church 22042, but they could also be zoned away from the 22042 located high school, while someone actually living in 22042 would have the stability of always being zoned for the high school located in their same zip code.

It makes perfect sense if you just look at a map, and if you value stability for kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Emerald Chase parent here definitely not advocating for Chantilly as it’s unrealistic with it being overcrowded. Not sure why anyone thinks that’s event remotely a possibility.

We would like to stay at Oak Hill because it’s the closest school to us and our child struggles a lot with changes. So uprooting them and sending them to another school would be extremely rough, as it would be for all kids.

The County could do themselves a favor and say what their grandfathering policy will be because I think a lot of parents might not have an issue if they knew how it would work.

Pushing to get rezoned to Chantilly HS was one of the goals listed on the Emerald hoawebsite.

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Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

It is not pushing for stability if someone advocates for their kids to change MS and HS. I suspect it is a handful of ES parents in Emerald Chase trying to “get theirs.”

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Anonymous wrote:Emerald Chase parent here definitely not advocating for Chantilly as it’s unrealistic with it being overcrowded. Not sure why anyone thinks that’s event remotely a possibility.

We would like to stay at Oak Hill because it’s the closest school to us and our child struggles a lot with changes. So uprooting them and sending them to another school would be extremely rough, as it would be for all kids.

The County could do themselves a favor and say what their grandfathering policy will be because I think a lot of parents might not have an issue if they knew how it would work.

Pushing to get rezoned to Chantilly HS was one of the goals listed on the Emerald hoawebsite.

I am aware it says that but not every parent feels that way. There wasn’t any sort of community vote about what to put on the website if that’s what you are thinking.

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

I would say they have stability.

22151 would be prevented from being rezoned outside of those two high schools in their zip code, with priority given to the high school they currently attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Emerald Chase parent here definitely not advocating for Chantilly as it’s unrealistic with it being overcrowded. Not sure why anyone thinks that’s event remotely a possibility.

We would like to stay at Oak Hill because it’s the closest school to us and our child struggles a lot with changes. So uprooting them and sending them to another school would be extremely rough, as it would be for all kids.

The County could do themselves a favor and say what their grandfathering policy will be because I think a lot of parents might not have an issue if they knew how it would work.

Pushing to get rezoned to Chantilly HS was one of the goals listed on the Emerald hoawebsite.

Bingo. “ We are promoting one, unified solution for Emerald Chase: Oak Hill Elementary – Franklin Middle School – Chantilly High School. Any other solution will weaken the message based on FCPS' stated goals for this comprehensive boundary review.”

https://www.emeraldchase.org/p/BOUNDARY-REVIEW

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

I would say they have stability.

22151 would be prevented from being rezoned outside of those two high schools in their zip code, with priority given to the high school they currently attend.

There needs to be some measureable metric to establish stability for families if FCPS intends to go through this 2 year process continually, with rezoning every 5 years, beyond "but my soccer team and girl scouts and friends."

In addition to zip codes, I would also add in natural barriers like highways, parks and commercial areas should be considered too, with a 3 mile radius from each high school protected from rezoning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

I would say they have stability.

22151 would be prevented from being rezoned outside of those two high schools in their zip code, with priority given to the high school they currently attend.

There needs to be some measureable metric to establish stability for families if FCPS intends to go through this 2 year process continually, with rezoning every 5 years, beyond "but my soccer team and girl scouts and friends."

In addition to zip codes, I would also add in natural barriers like highways, parks and commercial areas should be considered too, with a 3 mile radius from each high school protected from rezoning.

The flaw is in the fundamental changes made to policy 1830. It’s really a two step process at this point: 1) prevent terrible, disruptive moves proposed this round, 2) replace the current SB the next election cycle.

The new slate of candidates will run on tearing up 1830.8 and returning to a case-by-case, emergency only standard.

No more politics, either. I will never vote for someone for SB who is endorsed by either local branch of the two big parties. They made this mess for us. It’s time to move on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Westfield and Chantilly are both 20151 so no apparent stability there

It is not pushing for stability if someone advocates for their kids to change MS and HS. I suspect it is a handful of ES parents in Emerald Chase trying to “get theirs.”

Chantilly is a non starter for Emerald Chase. I haven't seen it mentioned here but Thru also took a chunk already zoned to Chantilly near the Wegmans and moved them to Westfield. I don't believe it was in the original slides. This is in addition to a couple other areas that were moved out in the original slides.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is my suggestion for Emerald Chase:

1. Lobby to stay at Oak Hill along with the Franklin Farm/Navy Island kids being sent there. There is room, I think according to the slides.
2. Go to Franklin along with the Navy Island. Again, I think there is room.
3. Lobby to go to Oakton along with the Navy Island. Chantilly is a non-starter.

I disagree with this gambit. If you want to attend Oakton HS pony up the cash to buy a house in Oakton. I don’t want to be fighting five years from now to keep my Oakton address home zoned to Oakton HS to accommodate “zone stability” for the Emerald Chase vultures.

Just because your town name is Oakton and the high school name is Oakton doesn't make it your community high school. Ask all the children all over FCPS who live much closer to one high school and go to a different one. The name doesn't matter, you can't use it as an excuse.

This is the silliest post.

Of course, if you live in Oakton you should attend the Oakton neighborhood high school. If you live in Lorton you should attend the Lorton neighborhood high school. If you live in Falls Church, you should attend the Falls Church neighborhood high school. It really is that simple.

At a minimum, students should be zoned for the high school that shares their home zip code, with all boundary tweaks limited to neighborhoods with zip codes outside of the immediate high school zip code.

You realize there are more than 1 Falls Church “neighborhood” schools right?

They all have different zip codes...

Falls Church high school 22042
Marshall High School 22043
Justice High School 22044

Not to mention the southern portion of McLean HS is also Falls Church (22046)

Whoever is suggesting doing ANYTHING related to school boundaries based on zipcodes really has no clue. Zipcodes are based on logistical convenience for a POST OFFICE from which your particular mail carrier's route originates. They are different in size and scope than schools, not typically co-located, and are not necessarily based on any notion of neighborhood or convenience, even if there does tend to be SOME degree of overlap in some cases with schools, it's by happenstance moreso than by design.

Agree. Some zips have more than one high school and some have none at all. I think there are a lot that apply to this.

If you don't live in the same zip code as a high school, then you would have the current status quo where you (hopefully) go to the nearest high school, but you are at risk of being rezoned every 5 years.

FCPS needs to lock in the closest neighborhoods to each high school if we are going to go through this 2 year process every 5 years. The zip code is an obvious non partial, concrete method to establish a compact area associated with each high school that will not be rezoned.