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I'd love to know your thoughts on this WSJ opinion piece...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124451592762396883.html OPINION: MAIN STREETJUNE 9, 2009.The Media Fall for Phony 'Jobs' Claims The Obama Numbers Are Pure Fiction. By WILLIAM MCGURN..Articlemore in Opinion ยป. Tony Fratto is envious. Mr. Fratto was a colleague of mine in the Bush administration, and as a senior member of the White House communications shop, he knows just how difficult it can be to deal with a press corps skeptical about presidential economic claims. It now appears, however, that Mr. Fratto's problem was that he simply lacked the magic words -- jobs "saved or created." "Saved or created" has become the signature phrase for Barack Obama as he describes what his stimulus is doing for American jobs. His latest invocation came yesterday, when the president declared that the stimulus had already saved or created at least 150,000 American jobs -- and announced he was ramping up some of the stimulus spending so he could "save or create" an additional 600,000 jobs this summer. These numbers come in the context of an earlier Obama promise that his recovery plan will "save or create three to four million jobs over the next two years." Associated Press The president should 'save or create' more jobs in Cleveland. . Mr. Fratto sees a double standard at play. "We would never have used a formula like 'save or create,'" he tells me. "To begin with, the number is pure fiction -- the administration has no way to measure how many jobs are actually being 'saved.' And if we had tried to use something this flimsy, the press would never have let us get away with it." Of course, the inability to measure Mr. Obama's jobs formula is part of its attraction. Never mind that no one -- not the Labor Department, not the Treasury, not the Bureau of Labor Statistics -- actually measures "jobs saved." As the New York Times delicately reports, Mr. Obama's jobs claims are "based on macroeconomic estimates, not an actual counting of jobs." Nice work if you can get away with it. And get away with it he has. However dubious it may be as an economic measure, as a political formula "save or create" allows the president to invoke numbers that convey an illusion of precision. Harvard economist and former Bush economic adviser Greg Mankiw calls it a "non-measurable metric." And on his blog, he acknowledges the political attraction. "The expression 'create or save,' which has been used regularly by the President and his economic team, is an act of political genius," writes Mr. Mankiw. "You can measure how many jobs are created between two points in time. But there is no way to measure how many jobs are saved. Even if things get much, much worse, the President can say that there would have been 4 million fewer jobs without the stimulus." Mr. Obama's comments yesterday are a perfect illustration of just such a claim. In the months since Congress approved the stimulus, our economy has lost nearly 1.6 million jobs and unemployment has hit 9.4%. Invoke the magic words, however, and -- presto! -- you have the president claiming he has "saved or created" 150,000 jobs. It all makes for a much nicer spin, and helps you forget this is the same team that only a few months ago promised us that passing the stimulus would prevent unemployment from rising over 8%. It's not only former Bush staffers such as Messrs. Fratto and Mankiw who have noted the political convenience here. During a March hearing of the Senate Finance Committee, Chairman Max Baucus challenged Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner on the formula. "You created a situation where you cannot be wrong," said the Montana Democrat. "If the economy loses two million jobs over the next few years, you can say yes, but it would've lost 5.5 million jobs. If we create a million jobs, you can say, well, it would have lost 2.5 million jobs. You've given yourself complete leverage where you cannot be wrong, because you can take any scenario and make yourself look correct." Now, something's wrong when the president invokes a formula that makes it impossible for him to be wrong and it goes largely unchallenged. It's true that almost any government spending will create some jobs and save others. But as Milton Friedman once pointed out, that doesn't tell you much: The government, after all, can create jobs by hiring people to dig holes and fill them in. If the "saved or created" formula looks brilliant, it's only because Mr. Obama and his team are not being called on their claims. And don't expect much to change. So long as the news continues to repeat the administration's line that the stimulus has already "saved or created" 150,000 jobs over a time period when the U.S. economy suffered an overall job loss 10 times that number, the White House would be insane to give up a formula that allows them to spin job losses into jobs saved. "You would think that any self-respecting White House press corps would show some of the same skepticism toward President Obama's jobs claims that they did toward President Bush's tax cuts," says Mr. Fratto. "But I'm still waiting." Write to MainStreet@wsj.com Please add your comments to the Opinion Journal Forum. |
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I sort of agree.
It is very difficult to measure how a government's policies "create" jobs. The reason is that you don't know whether those jobs would be created without the policy. It is even harder to measure jobs "saved" because first you have to agree on a forecast for jobs to be lost. On one hand you could say it is bogus b/c the forecast for losses determines saves. On the other hand, if the government doesn't take action to measure and save the jobs they probably will in fact be lost in a downturn like this. And so internally, they have to measure and act against such a statistic regardless. |
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Agree on two points.
1 there is absolutely no way to quantify jobs saved or created - the number is a complete work of fiction. 2 the Administration will not be called on this except in conservative leaning pubs like the WSJ. It is a sad day for so-called journalism. |
From the LA Times today:
Full article: http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/washingtondc/la-na-obama-stimulus9-2009jun09,0,5788007.story |
| The problem is that there are so many people who just go along with whatever Obama says that they won't listen to reason. I had to listen to some idiot at At Play Cafe going on and on about how great he is. Augggggggggggggghh another mom who doesn't consider that not everyone shares her views. I just tried to ignore her. |
I ran into an old acquaintance last night who's an old labor-lefty (even further left than liberal old me). He is almost totally negative on BO; thinks he has sold out to to the banks and big corporations. Fox says Obama is a socialist, and the real socialists think he's a capitalist pawn. I cover my eyes and keep my fingers crossed, my favorite position.
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| I don't believe BO is creating jobs. I think he is doing more damage to the economy than a jihadists could imagine in his wet dreams. We are bleeding a half MILLION jobs a month, are seeing record deficits and debt and busy bailing out and now owning car companies. The US has been hoodwinked and I wonder when people are going to awaken from their drunken orgy. |
| Did you vote--I did but I regret not speaking up to my moderate friends because I was afraid I would appear to be racist since a lot of people were so into the "we are finally not racist"--well great we finally showed we are past racism against people of color but we have moved onto a new prejudice, the prejudice of wanting success. It has now considered awful to want to actually become a wealthy person and more pc to want the government to own your life and it's now okay for our government to basically make up laws as they go along and just throw out any impediment that doesn't suit the government. Between what is happening to Chrysler and giving the UAW the company, remaking healthcare into some kind of rationed joke and the porkulus package. When it the media going to do it's job and report because so many people do not have the time to ascertain that Katie Couric, Bryan Williams and Anderson Cooper are just telling half stories. |
| Their ratings suck. Fox news eats them for lunch. |
I was actually at At Play Cafe on inauguration day! I wonder how many of the stay-at-home moms who were there that day ooooohing and aahhhing over the Obamas have husbands who have lost their jobs! Not that I wish this on anyone but they were all just in lala land with the whole hope and change bit. |
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This latest edition of Political Math addresses this subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu0DgpiK8c |
OK. You must have had seconds of that Fox Kool-Aid. No cable news show beats network news ratings. Period. |
I'm honestly curious - you think the economic crisis has all happened since the inauguration? Nothing in the past 5-10 years that may have laid the foundation for where we are now? |
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No actually things were good-look at GDP. The problem was forcing banks to lend to people who were not ready for a mortgage-Bush sounded the alarm but it wasn't loud enough because it was deemed "racist" to say that we should have low income/credit programs. I am still amazed that Barney Frank and Maxine Waters still are in office. I also blame Bush for not making a big deal of these practices because it you go along with the problem you are part of the problem. This infected all the banks because again they were told that they had to lend. I do believe that low taxes are good for everyone and frugal spending is good for everyone. Now we have a government that spends widely with no plan and no end point and punished success. A pay czar???? This won't stop in the financial industry because then every industry can be viewed as important to the sercurity of US. lso Look at for the tax increase, it's going to be big and will affect everyone and that includes those who aren't paying the increase because their job security will be in mix. Also look for a disaster in healthcare because when people realize that they are getting bad healthcare there won't be a way out because once the goverment takes over, they won't be out. I wonder why anyone wanted this, if you were/are a productive and ethical person. Obama calls all this economic justice, I call this playtime for losers.
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PP - there is a 20 year plus history of horrible decisions by our elected officials of both parties that laid the ground work for last fall. No doubt. However, there is genuine disagreement over
1. Was stimulus - huge government spending - the right course to take? 2. Will this big increase in government debt not be worse than what it is suppose to cure? Inflation anyone? 3. Is the 'stimulus' money really being targeted, if it was for shovel ready projects why as so little left Washington? People who are not on Obama's side in this exercise are doubtlessly offended by such blatant lies such as "saved and created" - which not one govt. official of either party can explain. |