Likely good fit?
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We are moving to Fairfax this summer and just got Dd's GMU test results back. She got a 134 overall but only 113 VCI since she "bombed" the similarities section at 50%.
Based on reading here it seems she might have a chance at aap entry based on the overall score if I am understanding right (although I do not know how heavily the bad VCI score would drag her application down). My question though is whether she is likely to do well in aap with stats like that. She is very competitive so would push herself to "keep up" but take it very hard if she is at the bottom of the class. We are most interested in picking whatever would be the best fit for her - not "AAP or bust". |
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| It depends. How is she doing overall? How is she at math? Does she have any other ability testing results? |
Anonymous
| It also depends on the Gen Ed program. Some are basically the same as AAP and use the AAP curriculum, especially if their advanced math classes are robust. Which ES? Which AAP Center? |
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| Verbal is certainly important in AAP-- you may want to consider referring for Level III services instead (advanced math). But, more to the point, did the tester/do you know why she bombed a verbal section? Did she have trouble with 1-2 questions and get flustered, or is she much less strong is verbal than math IRL? The answer to that question probably determines whether you should refer for Level IV or Level III. |
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1. "It depends. How is she doing overall? How is she at math? Does she have any other ability testing results? "
She's doing really well I think. Reading level is S. Inview scores were 4 99%s and 1 85% (latter in quantitative). MAP scores at 99% for last 2 years. 2. "Which ES? Which AAP Center? " Home ES would be Terra Centre so AAP would be White Oaks. 3. My husband did the interview at GMU afterwards but I don't think she mentioned why except to say that DD seemed to do much better with written questions than verbally posed questions, and to mention her processing speed results were not as strong as her other areas (119 on the WISC results). The really low verbal result compared to the other areas surprised me since although she's strong in math & likes it a lot, she's not very "accelerated" in math currently since MoCo where we are coming from doesn't let them work ahead and we don't do Kumon. In comparison, her highest grades are normally in language arts & they don't cap the kids in that area at her school, but most of that is reading & writing at her school. |
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| Wait, what grade is she entering in the fall? |
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3rd grade in the fall
- OP |
Anonymous
| I teach AAP and while many kids are motivated to do well, some just don't seem to care. And their scores were not stellar. Makes me wonder how they got in. |
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POst does not read like a teacher wrote this. Not the grammar...but the words. |
Anonymous
Yowza. 113 V & 119 PS, but 134 overall? That has to be a 1.5-2 SD difference between some subtests. Has anyone raised the possibility that something else is going on? For example, ADHD often results in relatively low PS. Or maybe anxiety/ perfectionism? Low PS + low verbal is going to be a tough combo for your DC, especially as she gets older. I's start with trying to get a handle on the underlying subtest discrepancy before I pushed for AAP,,, |
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I would also investigate the discrepancy, but before you make a decision to stay in gen-Ed, make sure the advanced math is available and robust. My children qualified for AAP, but we chose to keep them in Gen-Ed, but we had an excellent math program and there were two classes to fill the advanced curriculum. As a result, they had the option of taking Algebra Honor's in 7th grade (one did and one did not). Everything else you can supplement at home or concentrate on deficits. Both have special needs that needed to be remediated and considered in the decision. |
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"anxiety/ perfectionism?"
Entirely possible. What would we do with that though? We have been trying to focus on effort and the importance of improvement over results for quite some time. If she needs "help" with these issues or even someone to say if that is the situation where do I go to look into that more? oP |
Anonymous
I have an ES aged (soon to be MS aged) DD with an ADHD/ anxiety dual diagnosis. She's doing well in AAP, but we are treating the anxiety (CBT) and ADHD (meds). If anxiety is the issue, your DD can work with a kid's therapist on CBT/mindfulness. Also, potentially meds. And remember that ADHD looks very different in girls than boys, and can be a challenge to tease out. But first you need a real diagnosis (not one from DCUM) and that's either a neuro psych evaluation or a psychoeducational one (by a psychologist). If you go to the Special Needs Board and do a search, I'm sure there has been a recent thread of recommendations for people that perform these. We used Diana Dahlgren, and she did a good job on the evaluation and write up , but we didn't like dealing with her as a person, and she's very rushed, so not a great fit for an anxious kid. If you think there might be something there, please look into it. These are problems that often get worse as school gets harder, and the workload and academic expectations grow. If you don't get it under control now, it can get away from you (BTDT). Good luck! |
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Thx PPs. The disconnect between her scores did seem odd but I had not thought about it signaling that she needs more support in some way. The slow processing speed is just so odd to me since she typically works quite quickly, reads fast and seems to "get it" relatively quickly at school. But maybe that is just compared to her specific classmates.
Anyway, thanks for the suggestions! oP |
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Huh??? Why would I make this up? |