Separate swimming in public pools - good for Muslims, bad for Jews?

[Anonymous]

In Feb, the NY times published an editorial praising a public pool in Toronto about its inclusion, offering separate women's only swimming hours to accommodate the Muslim population.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/29/world/americas/in-toronto-a-neighborhood-in-despair-transforms-into-a-model-of-inclusion.html?_r=0

Last week, the same NY times published an editorial ripping into a NY pool offering separate hours to accommodate the Orthodox Jewish population.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/01/opinion/everybody-into-the-pool.html

Why the difference?

[Anonymous]

The first seems to be only once a week, where the second is four times a week. I think that difference is significant. Also the Toranto location appears to be some sort of public/private partnership, where the NY one is wholly owned and run by the city.

The Hasidic population in Brooklyn has a history of looking to city (and state) services to fund their community needs. This is one more accommodation that is upsetting to their neighbors who do not share their religious beliefs. There would not be a backlash if they built their own pool.

[Anonymous]

The first article isn't an editorial, first of all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The first article isn't an editorial, first of all.

Is there a second of all?

[Anonymous]

I think it matters that Toronto is undertaking measures that will bring underrepresented members of the community into common spaces. Chassids are not underrepresented. If anything, they've been able to wield unrepresentative power when it comes to things like banning bike lanes in their neighborhoods or (for a while) getting the city to pay for sex segregated buses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The first article isn't an editorial, first of all.

Is there a second of all?

Does there need to be? OP's entire premise is wrong because she confused a news article with an op-ed.

[Anonymous]

Either its ok to have separate hours/special treatment based on religion or it isn't. Regardless of representation, Jews and Muslims both have along history of discrimination.

[Anonymous]

The second editorial seems to focus on the idea that the pool's hours are a violation of the law. It's not clear to me whether it's referring to NY laws, or US laws, but neither apply to pools in Toronto.

[Anonymous]

It's the New York Times. Why are we surprised here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's the New York Times. Why are we surprised here?

You think the New York Times is anti-Semitic?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's the New York Times. Why are we surprised here?

You think the New York Times is anti-Semitic?

What rock have you been living under? It has an 'anti-Israel' slant. In fact that's not wholly accurate, even with regard to other nations, it has a heavily pro-Muslim slant.

It will easily run stories berating Christians in Nigeria or Hindus in India and of course Israeli's but does not even come close to reporting with the same vitriol any stories which would be offensive to Muslims.

It's been doing this for several years now. I grew up with the NYT and absolutely loved it but had to cancel my subscription. They are biased and it happened with several staff changes a few years ago, I made excuses for a long time until I finally had to see it as it was.

[Anonymous]

The Hasidic community in Brooklyn, and their extensions in Rockland, Orange, and other counties in NY and elsewhere are not representative of the Jewish community. It's an insular cult that shuns outsiders and anyone who leaves the community. They don't educate their boys outside of religious instruction, so the men are incapable of supporting their very large families that they have because they marry as teenagers. They control access to the Internet so community members won't understand the outside world. They vote as they are told, in a bloc, so they control local politicians. They disproportionately use public services like food stamps and Medicaid, yet have the money to build illegal structures to house their population.

Because their origins are Jewish, they claim anti-Semitism anytime they are opposed. I think their success may turn out to be their demise, because there is finally a pushback because the exponential growth is unsustainable when they need the largesse of the surrounding communities to survive. Pushback is coming - the editorial is one small example of it.

[Anonymous]

This is why I have my own pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Hasidic community in Brooklyn, and their extensions in Rockland, Orange, and other counties in NY and elsewhere are not representative of the Jewish community. It's an insular cult that shuns outsiders and anyone who leaves the community. They don't educate their boys outside of religious instruction, so the men are incapable of supporting their very large families that they have because they marry as teenagers. They control access to the Internet so community members won't understand the outside world. They vote as they are told, in a bloc, so they control local politicians. They disproportionately use public services like food stamps and Medicaid, yet have the money to build illegal structures to house their population.

Because their origins are Jewish, they claim anti-Semitism anytime they are opposed. I think their success may turn out to be their demise, because there is finally a pushback because the exponential growth is unsustainable when they need the largesse of the surrounding communities to survive. Pushback is coming - the editorial is one small example of it.

What does this have to do with supporting separate women's swimming hours for Muslim women but not Jewish women? They claim anti-Semitism bc for basically the same accommodation (women's only swimming hours in a public pool), the community supporting the Muslim women was praised and the one supporting the Jewish women were criticized. Its hard to see the double standard as anything but anti-Semitic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Hasidic community in Brooklyn, and their extensions in Rockland, Orange, and other counties in NY and elsewhere are not representative of the Jewish community. It's an insular cult that shuns outsiders and anyone who leaves the community. They don't educate their boys outside of religious instruction, so the men are incapable of supporting their very large families that they have because they marry as teenagers. They control access to the Internet so community members won't understand the outside world. They vote as they are told, in a bloc, so they control local politicians. They disproportionately use public services like food stamps and Medicaid, yet have the money to build illegal structures to house their population.

Because their origins are Jewish, they claim anti-Semitism anytime they are opposed. I think their success may turn out to be their demise, because there is finally a pushback because the exponential growth is unsustainable when they need the largesse of the surrounding communities to survive. Pushback is coming - the editorial is one small example of it.

What does this have to do with supporting separate women's swimming hours for Muslim women but not Jewish women? They claim anti-Semitism bc for basically the same accommodation (women's only swimming hours in a public pool), the community supporting the Muslim women was praised and the one supporting the Jewish women were criticized. Its hard to see the double standard as anything but anti-Semitic.

The Muslim women are given two hours a week, on a Saturday evening which is presumably a low-use time for the pool. The Hasidic women are given three weekday morning, and Sunday afternoons, all of which are likely to be high use times. That difference matters.

Disagreeing with something that Jewish people want is not automatically anti-Semitic.