Separate swimming in public pools - good for Muslims, bad for Jews?

[Anonymous]

I think the real issue is that they gave them Sunday afternoon as one of the restricted slots. A lot of working parents and working singles probably like to spend their Sunday afternoons at the public pool. Honestly, given that these ladies don't have to go to church on Sunday morning, why don't they give them a super early slot on Sunday morning?

[Anonymous]

I think the pp is right about the timing. Give the women a slot or two during the week and no one will care. The segregated hours were excessive and prime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Jewish women and the muslim women just share the ssme pool hours together?

Embrace the melting pot instead of trying to fixate on differences.

The world would be a much better and kinder place if people started to devote a frsction of time to.their similarities insted of how we actively now just fight about and seek out differences.

I suspect because the pools are miles apart? Hundreds of miles and an international border in between?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fierce language in the editorial about "odor' is weird.

"The city’s human rights law is quite clear that public accommodations like a swimming pool cannot exclude people based on sex. It allows for exemptions “based on bona fide considerations of public policy,” but this case — with its strong odor of religious intrusion into a secular space — does not seem bona fide at all."

omg it's a metaphor not meant literally "odor"

*sigh*

If you knew more than you do, you would know that the use of that word in connection with Jews has historical antisemitic connotations. There were a million other ways the writer(s) could have said it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Jewish women and the muslim women just share the ssme pool hours together?

Embrace the melting pot instead of trying to fixate on differences.

The world would be a much better and kinder place if people started to devote a frsction of time to.their similarities insted of how we actively now just fight about and seek out differences.

We are still waiting for the day when white people share there swimming pools with African Americans and stop hiding out in racist country clubs.

[Anonymous]

Is it a womens only swimming hour or muslim women only?
Does the jewish pool allow gentile and muslim women to also swim at the same time?
What about a shiksa pretending to be a jew?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Hasidic community in Brooklyn, and their extensions in Rockland, Orange, and other counties in NY and elsewhere are not representative of the Jewish community. It's an insular cult that shuns outsiders and anyone who leaves the community. They don't educate their boys outside of religious instruction, so the men are incapable of supporting their very large families that they have because they marry as teenagers. They control access to the Internet so community members won't understand the outside world. They vote as they are told, in a bloc, so they control local politicians. They disproportionately use public services like food stamps and Medicaid, yet have the money to build illegal structures to house their population.

Because their origins are Jewish, they claim anti-Semitism anytime they are opposed. I think their success may turn out to be their demise, because there is finally a pushback because the exponential growth is unsustainable when they need the largesse of the surrounding communities to survive. Pushback is coming - the editorial is one small example of it.

So, what you're saying is that the Hasidim are like Jewish Negroes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Hasidic community in Brooklyn, and their extensions in Rockland, Orange, and other counties in NY and elsewhere are not representative of the Jewish community. It's an insular cult that shuns outsiders and anyone who leaves the community. They don't educate their boys outside of religious instruction, so the men are incapable of supporting their very large families that they have because they marry as teenagers. They control access to the Internet so community members won't understand the outside world. They vote as they are told, in a bloc, so they control local politicians. They disproportionately use public services like food stamps and Medicaid, yet have the money to build illegal structures to house their population.

Because their origins are Jewish, they claim anti-Semitism anytime they are opposed. I think their success may turn out to be their demise, because there is finally a pushback because the exponential growth is unsustainable when they need the largesse of the surrounding communities to survive. Pushback is coming - the editorial is one small example of it.

What does this have to do with supporting separate women's swimming hours for Muslim women but not Jewish women? They claim anti-Semitism bc for basically the same accommodation (women's only swimming hours in a public pool), the community supporting the Muslim women was praised and the one supporting the Jewish women were criticized. Its hard to see the double standard as anything but anti-Semitic.

The Muslim women are given two hours a week, on a Saturday evening which is presumably a low-use time for the pool. The Hasidic women are given three weekday morning, and Sunday afternoons, all of which are likely to be high use times. That difference matters.

Disagreeing with something that Jewish people want is not automatically anti-Semitic.

Absolutely this

[Anonymous]

It is at owners discretion to have pool hours for one gender only, provided he can still stay in business, but it is not at owners discretion have pool hours for one religion only (unless the pool is owned by the religious organization)

[Anonymous]

I'm Jewish, and the Hasidic movement makes me really uneasy. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of the religion you apply it to. The sway this religious minority has within a minority religion in New York is frustrating and detrimental to all.

I am all for providing opportunities like these pool hours, but they shouldn't be at the expense of access for others. They should also be open/welcoming to all women who want to swim in a single-sex environment for any reason, religious or otherwise.

[Anonymous]

PP. I can't type. I meant it is frustrating that this super small minority of a super small religious minority has an out-sized influence and I don't believe they use it for good. Hasidic Jews look nothing like the vast majority of US Jews.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is why I have my own pool.

+1

where I can wear a burkini or go skinny dipping

or leave it to become a festering trench of mosquito larvae and dead plant matter

nope

not ours, thank you

We take care of it.

And we don't have kids pissing and crapping in the pool either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why can't the Jewish women and the muslim women just share the ssme pool hours together?

Embrace the melting pot instead of trying to fixate on differences.

The world would be a much better and kinder place if people started to devote a frsction of time to.their similarities insted of how we actively now just fight about and seek out differences.

We are still waiting for the day when white people share there swimming pools with African Americans and stop hiding out in racist country clubs.

Well, not all of us whiteys can afford private, all white clubs. Nor do we want to join. But your racism is showing, too, through your ignorant generalization.

Way to attempt to divide instead of unite, genius

Enjoy hot, humid summer!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm Jewish, and the Hasidic movement makes me really uneasy. Fundamentalism is fundamentalism regardless of the religion you apply it to. The sway this religious minority has within a minority religion in New York is frustrating and detrimental to all.

I am all for providing opportunities like these pool hours, but they shouldn't be at the expense of access for others. They should also be open/welcoming to all women who want to swim in a single-sex environment for any reason, religious or otherwise.

All women are welcome to swim during the women's only hours. Its not just for Jewish women. Its for women. No separation of religion, just gender.

[Anonymous]

Swimming is not a necessity of life and ALL pools should be open to ALL races, genders, religions at ALL times when taxpayer funds are used.