ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

For good reason, clubs prioritize top teams way differently than 3rd teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

Alphabet soup. kids and parents want to be on the top team within a club. MLSN2 is firmly a third best option now.

If MLSN2 is second to MLS Next, how is it 3rd overall?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The pathway for an MLSN2 player to move up to MLSN1 has now become significantly harder, almost impossible for some. Because MLSN2 functions as a school year (SY) feeder team, so players would have to skip an age group to join a birth-year-based MLSN1 roster. Realistically, very few Aug–Dec players will be able to make that jump.

In other words, the MLSN system now has virtually NO upward pipeline. If you’re an Aug–Dec player, breaking into the MLSN1 team (where the older Jan–July players compete, some nearly a full year older) will be extremely difficult. And when there’s no real pathway from MLSN2 to MLSN1, players WILL leave.

Families invest in these MLSN pay-to-play academies (not DC United Academy) because they hope their child might eventually reach the first team. That possibility has essentially been removed. MLSN academies will be forced to convince their MLSN2 Aug–Dec players to stay instead of moving to ECNL, where they would actually have a chance to reach a national-level first team.

By “first team,” I mean better coaching, field priority (which becomes a major issue in bad weather; MLSN1 will be training indoors while MLSN2 won’t, as has happened before), access to VEO analytics, and more visibility with recruiters. First team is FIRST TEAM. Second team is always at the back of the line, that’s the reality.

Ummm. Typically if players seem like they can play MLS1 but are small they are biobanded until they hit puberty and catch up with everyone else.

It’s not just about size; the mental aspect matters too, yet mental development doesn’t seem to be considered when determining biobanding

Define exactly what you mean by mental aspect in this context

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Q4 kid. 11 yr old. Was starting mls pipeline and looking likely mls2. We will try out at ECNL. Even if 2nd team there, have a chance to make the top team at some point. Either way, would likely be more of an impact on ECNL 2nd team than MLS2. Also, MLS is too disorganized. Club will have a nightmare.

Why is soccer such a mess?

Great question!

Now, US is the only country in the world with 2 different age cutoff systems for youth soccer.

Also, soccer is the only youth sport in US (as far as I know) with 2 different age cutoff systems.

So yes, soccer in US is a mess!

No US has 2 different soccer pathways.

BY = Pro
SY = Youth HS College

If college soccer didn't exist (which it doesnt in other countries) there wouldn't be a reason to do SY.

What a load of gibberish. By that notion all of US soccer has been on a pro pathway since 2016 with Jan 1 cutoffs . Almost none of MLSN players are going to have a whiff of playing pro and that number will continue to decrease as they won’t get the best players. They will get the players whose parents can afford the time money and travel and who are psyching their kid into playing professional which most do not want to. Even those that do want to, rarely have the talent. Now they will lose 40% of the potential player pool to ECNL.

Okay Professor 😂😂

Curious, if the best players aren't going to the top league that's most desired by colleges and is the path to semi-pro and pro, where are they going to go instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a bad situation for the academy players most dropped out of school and gave up a lot to be in the pipeline. If they suddenly had the rug pulled out and new players came in the lawsuits would fly..,.

MLS is doing the best it can with a s*it burger.

Who dropped out of school to play for a MLSN2 team?
Is this thread for lunatics

MLS academy players means mls academy players (dc united) not mls academy division/mls2.

How are MLS Club academies affected by a change to MLSN2 age cutoff?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a bad situation for the academy players most dropped out of school and gave up a lot to be in the pipeline. If they suddenly had the rug pulled out and new players came in the lawsuits would fly..,.

MLS is doing the best it can with a s*it burger.

Who dropped out of school to play for a MLSN2 team?
Is this thread for lunatics

MLS academy players means mls academy players (dc united) not mls academy division/mls2.

How are MLS Club academies affected by a change to MLSN2 age cutoff?

They aren’t, the person responding was confusing academy players with mls2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

It’s business as usual for January-July birthdays. August and later birthdays are now not only Q4 but will also be playing an age group below their competition for mlsn1 spots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

NOT going to happen for most kids

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

Yes once they are adults, we’re talking about kids and how the system is affecting development and chances to reach that “higher” level

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let me get this straight, 2 years ago parents were fine with their kid playing in NAL
This year they're fine with NAL becoming MLSN2

Next year they're going to run to ECNL because MLSN2 is still MLSN2 with the same age cutoff as ECNL

Is that the working theory?

That’s the theory for August-December birthdays. This year, a u15 Aug-dec birthday is eligible for u15 mls1 or u15 mls2 team. Many stay for the hope of being moved from 2 to 1.

Next year, those birthdays will be eligible for u16 mls1 or u15 mls2. If they don’t make the mls1 team there is no hope of being moved up in the future because they are now playing an age group below.

Moving up is based on individual skills, talent and potential

No labels move you up or keep you back if the coaches see your individual quality, or lack thereof

That’s works for u15 B team to u15 A team. Moving from a u15 B team to a u16 A team is almost impossible.

You can go from NCSL to New York Red Bulls academy if you have the quality

If you're a solid B team player who isn't doing enough to elevate your skills then wishing to be moved up just because you're in line is waiting for fools gold

Entitlement curse

Prior to this change they didn’t have to skip an age group to move up. They just had to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. Now they need to skip an age group to move from a lower level team to a higher level team. That’s a concerning position.

Isn't everyone in the same age group with people their age when the dust settles?

It's about talent groups not age groups at the highest levels
Everyone gets a medal and trophy days are done

No, that’s the problem. January-July will be in an age group above August-dec then they will all have to compete for HG spots with August-December skipping u12.