Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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10/10/2023 17:42

Subject: Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote:Panic in Kiev! Competing with Israel for dollars now.

Why would a bunch of people who want to cut funding to Ukraine's army suddenly jump at the chance of funding Israel's army?

1. There are a whole lot more people in Congress that hold Israeli citizenship than Ukrainian.

2. Israel has a much greater chance of "winning" than Ukraine.

Which congress members are Israeli citizens? Or was this just made up, because I couldn’t find any with a quick search.

9 senators are de facto Israeli citizens

Another anti-Semite that believes being Jewish, a religion, makes you Israeli.

Are Catholics citizens of Rome? Those with Italian ancestry have similar rights but it doesn’t make them citizens.

Yes, being Jew makes you a citizen of Israel. You just have to ask.
Every Jew in the world has the unrestricted right to be an Israeli. It is as simple as just declaring it.

This is such an anti-Semitic view. There is a "right of return" to Israel for people with one Jewish grandparent. In order to become an Israeli citizen, a Jewish person must apply for the right of return and prove their ancestry and religious affiliation. They must physically return to Israel. It is not so simple as "just declaring it".

It is also not different from dozens of other countries that have "citizenship by ancestry" or "citizenship by descent" - Poland, Hungary, Ireland, Mexico, and many others.

The anti-semitism lies in the way people call out only Jews for their suspect loyalties to Israel merely because of their religion. This is what PPs are doing when they suggest that Jews in congress will vote according to Israel's interests.

No one questioned Cruz's loyalty because he was a dual Canadian citizen.

No one questions Michelle Bachmann's loyalty even though she is a US citizen by birth with a second Swiss citizenship which she acquired by declaration under the ancestry pathway.

There are many members of Congress with Irish ancestry, yet no one questions their loyalty - neither to Ireland nor to the Pope if they are catholic. (Well, at least not after JFK.)

If there are American Polish/Hungarian/Irish/Mexican/Swiss Political Action Committees, then I have never heard of them. Further, our politicians don't attend these conferences (if they exist) and pledge their undying support for that country and promising billions in foreign aid. They don't compete with one another to outdo their support for those countries either. They don't make pilgrimages to those countries either.

It’s a completely different thing. With Israel, they act like that is their "real" country and being an American is their day job.

+1 I eat lefse at Christmas and decorate under the tree with nisse. I don’t think the US sends any money to Norway.

Your ignorance of history and US politics is no excuse for your anti-semitism.

First, there actually are organizations that are Polish-American, Hungarian-American, etc. both organizations and groups of constituents within a member district that do lobby for particular US policy support to their country of origin.

For example, take the Polish-American Congress, which was started after WWII to lobby on behalf of Poland and Polish citizens who had been left behind the Iron Curtain by the deal that FDR and Churchill cut with Stalin. At one point PAC had over 6 million members and held conferences with thousands of delegates from Polish-America communities all over the US. The were incensed by the betrayal of Poland. Over the years, they lobbied for Radio Free Europe, for investigations of the Katyn Massacre, for active support to Solidarity, for Polish membership in NATO, etc. Members of their leadership regularly held lobbying meetings and interviews for political endorsement. Collectively, the East European-American groups have had a significant political impact in the US, meeting with Presidents and Presidential candidates. Poland has, over the years received quite a bit of military and other assistance from the US to integrate into NATO and the EU. On the Congressional level, members know well the ethnic membership of their districts and regular hear and support policies FillintheBlank-Americans have.

All those groups are accepted as a normal part of the political process. Their loyalty to the US is not questioned, and Polish-Americans like Zbigniew Brzezinski were never seen as having a secret higher interest to Poland.

Only with respect to Jews, whether religious or secular but Jewish by descent, is their disloyalty assumed and the policies they promote assumed to be in the disinterest of the US. This is an anti-semitic trope - the disloyalty of the Jew as a nation with no land who will always be disloyal to the land they end up living in no matter how assimilated - that stretches back centuries (and more).

In fact, the US has supported Israel because for a long time it was the only real democracy in the region with a friendship based on those shared democratic values. The US also supported Israel as the one place in the world that Jews could rely on being admitted (as opposed to what happened during WWII).

FWIW, there are many ethnic American groups that have political/policy component. Use your google thumbs to learn something.