We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership

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We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone

I'm so proud of MCPS leadership for following the science and public health experts and keeping us and our children safe.

Is your post satire...or just ignorance?

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If you want MCPS to open, sign and share this. http://chng.it/h7tVHKGzjV

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Anonymous wrote:Washington County, for example:

https://www.niche.com/k12/d/washington-county-public-schools-md/

They have 24K Students vs 166K students at MCPS.

You cannot even compare the sale of what the two school systems are facing.

Yes you can. Spending per student is lower in Washington County. MCPS has more money, more staff, and more resources.

And more expenses! Payroll is the largest operating expense, and the cost of living in MoCo is more than just a bit higher.

Average Washington Co homes cost 220K; MoCo homes are almost 500K. It's no wonder many MCPS teachers live in Frederick Co!

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We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone

I'm so proud of MCPS leadership for following the science and public health experts and keeping us and our children safe.

Is your post satire...or just ignorance?

No Karen, it's reality but some people are too privileged to grasp it.

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Anonymous wrote:Washington County, for example:

https://www.niche.com/k12/d/washington-county-public-schools-md/

They have 24K Students vs 166K students at MCPS.

You cannot even compare the sale of what the two school systems are facing.

Yes you can. Spending per student is lower in Washington County. MCPS has more money, more staff, and more resources.

MCPS has more money as well as more schools, staff, and students that it needs to be spent on.

Also, everyone knows that a Honda Civic is more maneuverable than an eighteen-wheeler.

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The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

If it's not effective for obese people, then the FDA shouldn't approve it as an effective vaccine. A vaccine that's not effective for the people who are actually in the population is not an effective vaccine.

It's an absurd claim that the vaccine won't work on obese people. Unless the pp comes back with a credible source, you can safely ignore that comment. The main group I'd worry about are people with comprised immune systems.

Loss of effectiveness in vaccines isn't limited to just a COVID vaccine. It happens in others as well, and many have been adjusted for obese people.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/obesity-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-wellness/index.html

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/07/obesity-vaccine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8601341/Experts-say-coronavirus-vaccine-effective-obese-adults.html

I'm not trolling. We are going to have a very real problem if people are just waiting for the vaccine. It may not be effective in obese people, which is a staggeringly high percentage of people in our country. There will be low enthusiasm for it from both political sides due to those that dont believe in science or those that have little faith in the administration.

And childrens vaccine trials have just started. So when Fauce says April 2021, we're probably only talking about 20-30% people in the population being effectively immunized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you want MCPS to open, sign and share this. http://chng.it/h7tVHKGzjV

Signed. And shared on social media.

It's time that MCPS starts listening to families on this topic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone

I'm so proud of MCPS leadership for following the science and public health experts and keeping us and our children safe.

Is your post satire...or just ignorance?

No Karen, it's reality but some people are too privileged to grasp it.

Got it. Ignorance, then.

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The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

If it's not effective for obese people, then the FDA shouldn't approve it as an effective vaccine. A vaccine that's not effective for the people who are actually in the population is not an effective vaccine.

It's an absurd claim that the vaccine won't work on obese people. Unless the pp comes back with a credible source, you can safely ignore that comment. The main group I'd worry about are people with comprised immune systems.

Loss of effectiveness in vaccines isn't limited to just a COVID vaccine. It happens in others as well, and many have been adjusted for obese people.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/obesity-covid-vaccine-effectiveness-wellness/index.html

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/08/07/obesity-vaccine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8601341/Experts-say-coronavirus-vaccine-effective-obese-adults.html

I'm not trolling. We are going to have a very real problem if people are just waiting for the vaccine. It may not be effective in obese people, which is a staggeringly high percentage of people in our country. There will be low enthusiasm for it from both political sides due to those that dont believe in science or those that have little faith in the administration.

And childrens vaccine trials have just started. So when Fauce says April 2021, we're probably only talking about 20-30% people in the population being effectively immunized.

Well, this has been one of the fundamental problems from the beginning. Kids are being punished because the adults won't put their forks down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you want MCPS to open, sign and share this. http://chng.it/h7tVHKGzjV

Signed. And shared on social media.

It's time that MCPS starts listening to families on this topic

Done. Also emailed the board etc.

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THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

I'd like to see something more official than discussion by readers on a news site.

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THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

Somehow other districts are doing this without twice the number of teachers. Amazing, right?

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Anonymous wrote:No one is providing a clear plan except to rant. Older schools don’t have and hvac system and are on a water boiler system. They don’t have the duct for an hvac. Many of these schools need to be torn down like ours but they only get done when things are so bad and they usually only do one at a time. The money goes to the rich schools where parents advocate and some of those schools have had multiple renovations. Your schools are probably ok, ours are not but since they all fall under mcps you cannot open. You need to advocate for the schools not up to standards, not just yours. Instead of all that Astro turf we could have had a new roof and working windows.

Here's a clear plan:

(1) soap in all of the bathrooms, masks required, bus windows open, no band or chorus, PE outside, recess outside (in all weather), lunch in classrooms, extra cleaning staff to clean the classrooms lunch is eaten in, everyone back to school full day five days a week except people enrolled in the statewide distance learning program
(2) a statewide distance learning program

The problem with this plan is not lack of clarity. The problem is that it's politically impossible. MCPS, plenty of teachers, and Hogan won't agree to it.

+1. That's basically the same idea I posted above. Two options. Keep it simple. I don't see how any families can object to this.

the only objection can be from the few teachers that will have to return against their will

PP, if that were the only objection, we'd be doing it already.

Sure, its more nuanced than that. Its probably that the teachers union will object if there are teachers that dont want to return but are forced to, which is the point of unions, I suppose....

What are the other objections? Parents that want a return get a return; parents what want DL get DL

Stop blaming the teachers. As a parent we don't want to go back to an unsafe situation.

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

You are wrong and selfish to demand we return to school and you cannot say a clear plan to make it happen. Just because you don't want to take care of your kids. You don't care about anyone else but you and your needs. You are selfish. We cannot return because people like you are living their lives as normal and will infect others and not care. It may be fine for your family and you are willing to take that risk but many of us know the consequences of losing a parent or child and aren't willing.

You clearly don't understand the virus, how it spreads or understand the issues involved with the buildings, overcrowding and much more if you don't understand why those are not options.

We cannot do outside learning due to safety issues.

Wow, you're actually really, really selfish. Just stay home.

How am I being selfish? Hire someone to take care of your kids if you don't want to? The county has child care vouchers for school aged kids if you need help. Selfish is living in a million dollar house and screaming poverty when it comes to caring for your kids and not wanting to do it yourself.

Selfish is wanting everyone to stay home because you are scared. You are free to stay home indefinitely, but there are ways to get other kids back to the classroom safely.

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THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

Somehow other districts are doing this without twice the number of teachers. Amazing, right?

Which other districts, specifically, and how, specifically, are they doing it?

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THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

It is relevant to health and safety. However at best we could do 1-2 feet, not 6. So, how do you propose we do it between 4-6 feet in some of the smaller classrooms?

It's a waste of time to even consider this nonsense. A vaccine will be out in January. They can begin phasing in vaccinated students in the following months.

The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

Which is why we absolutely need to continue DL until a vaccine is available for everyone- if that takes an extra year, it’s worth it IMO.