The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know. From talking to my family with kids in Berlin, I didn't get the impression that people were taking this more seriously than they did here around DC.

Yeah, my relative in Hamburg is sending us communications that are full of vaccine conspiracies, her refusal to wear a mask or distance herself from her child's family in a different household, and imprecations against the German government's intolerable infringements on human freedom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know. From talking to my family with kids in Berlin, I didn't get the impression that people were taking this more seriously than they did here around DC.

Yeah, my relative in Hamburg is sending us communications that are full of vaccine conspiracies, her refusal to wear a mask or distance herself from her child's family in a different household, and imprecations against the German government's intolerable infringements on human freedom.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but that is not what I meant. I meant hearing about people still socializing on a small scale, allowing their kids playdates with select friends, etc. None of which I have observed in my DC circles here, where everyone I know has been extremely strict. I think Americans like to evoke the stereotype of the rule following German to explain the difference in outcomes, when I think the problems here lie elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't know. From talking to my family with kids in Berlin, I didn't get the impression that people were taking this more seriously than they did here around DC.

Yeah, my relative in Hamburg is sending us communications that are full of vaccine conspiracies, her refusal to wear a mask or distance herself from her child's family in a different household, and imprecations against the German government's intolerable infringements on human freedom.

I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic, but that is not what I meant. I meant hearing about people still socializing on a small scale, allowing their kids playdates with select friends, etc. None of which I have observed in my DC circles here, where everyone I know has been extremely strict. I think Americans like to evoke the stereotype of the rule following German to explain the difference in outcomes, when I think the problems here lie elsewhere.

PP you're responding to, and no, unfortunately I'm not being sarcastic. She is actually doing this.

[Anonymous]

Here's photos of the boat parties in Berlin earlier this month:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/06/02/berlin-boat-party-in-support-of-nightclubs-under-fire-after-photos-show-hundreds-crowded-t

[Anonymous]

People everywhere are over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

+1. Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

+1. Thank you.

Educators really do need to be careful about pulling the plug on in-person school. The Betsy Devoses of the world are salivating at another year of “distance learning.” It’s the perfect opportunity to defund and dismantle the public education system as we know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, lets not care about the people getting really sick and dying. Lets not care about the health care folks taking care of us getting sick and dying as their lives don't mean anything because you NEED to go on vacation, get free child care and go out to eat, shopping. Things like vaccines can wait. You can get mental health treatment online. Why would a provider want to risk their lives? Our teacher was so bad this year, online was far better and now we are paying for online summer school to make up for it.

I'm not going on vacation. I don't need any child care. I'm not going out to eat. I am going shopping to the grocery store, for my family and for my parents.

None of that has anything to do with the fact that kids need school.

+1.

Our vacation plans have been canceled, I don’t need child care (my kids are teens), and I can cook and shop online. My kids’, and other kids’ education is my #1 priority.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

Another honest question: who do you mean by "we as a society"? Because this is happening on the entire planet.

No, it's not. Some countries dealt with it competently. Unfortunately, our country did not.

Ok, which is it? Did the US focus exclusively on COVID with an air-right lockdown and contact tracing, or did the US not focus enough on COVID and that’s why it’s getting out of hand? I can’t keep track of everyone’s complaints except they all seem to think it’s better elsewhere. But I would challenge anyone to find a place in the world where everything is normal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

Another honest question: who do you mean by "we as a society"? Because this is happening on the entire planet.

No, it's not. Some countries dealt with it competently. Unfortunately, our country did not.

Ok, which is it? Did the US focus exclusively on COVID with an air-right lockdown and contact tracing, or did the US not focus enough on COVID and that’s why it’s getting out of hand? I can’t keep track of everyone’s complaints except they all seem to think it’s better elsewhere. But I would challenge anyone to find a place in the world where everything is normal.

Who on earth is saying that? Nobody. Air-tight lockdown, ha. Contact tracing, triple ha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People everywhere are over it.

Yeah, I'm tired of it too. Does it care? No.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

Honest question. Do we have enough high quality masks for teachers to use if there is a full time return to school?

This is my question. I already had to supply my classroom with hand sanitizer and bleach wipes OOP. I just don’t believe I will be given good masks. Maybe one janky cloth mask that I’m supposed to hand wash nightly and replace the elastic when it wears out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In a matter of three months, we as a society have become totally myopic when it comes to COVID. COVID now trumps all other issues, including education (permanent learning losses, especially for disadvantaged kids), the economy (devastated small businesses, hotels, airlines, mass layoffs, etc.); mental health (suicide, addiction); health other than COVID (skipped vaccinations, tests, well visits, operations), and happiness. This shift in mindset happened extremely quickly, and all of those who dared question it--stating the perhaps tradeoffs between health and these other issues might at least be considered--were shamed. Now, thousands of parents are realizing that their children are being permanently damaged by a lockdown of increasingly dubious value, and thankfully these parents are starting to slowly whisper "no, not this Fall." And you would think that these parents are monsters by the reactions of some of the truly virtuous woke posters on this board. I truly hope for the future of our society that we as parents start to find our voice and demand that our children receive a quality, in-person education this fall. And for the teacher's unions, County officials, Principals, and various others who will aggressively push back by citing the risks, let us remind them that, yes, in fact, they work for us, the taxpayers, and we demand that they do their jobs and figure it out. Of course there are risks. There are *always* risks. What we do know is that we now have a functioning contact tracing infrastructure, plenty of tests, plenty of PPE, and *six months* of time from March to September to figure this out. MoCo simply must figure out an in-person schooling approach; if they punt and go to another semester of Zoom wasted time, I can think of another organization that should be defunded.

Honest question. Do we have enough high quality masks for teachers to use if there is a full time return to school?

This is my question. I already had to supply my classroom with hand sanitizer and bleach wipes OOP. I just don’t believe I will be given good masks. Maybe one janky cloth mask that I’m supposed to hand wash nightly and replace the elastic when it wears out.

Don’t you have your own masks at this point? I own three excellent cloth masks that I can just throw in with my laundry. Not saying this school district shouldn’t be supplying them to staff, but their inability to do so cannot possibly be an excuse for teachers not to return to work. It’s like a piece of clothing that you need outside of work as well.

[Anonymous]

Go find ArizonA thread ... flipping Hot Zone now

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Go find ArizonA thread ... flipping Hot Zone now

How is that relevant to this thread? Schools in Arizona are closed.