Soooo, how is high-density looking to everyone now?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

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Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

[Anonymous]

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

You simply cannot justify somebody living next door to a school be bused across town to another school. You will never convince the parents that commuting 45 minutes each way is time well spent for their kids rather than walking five minutes.

Beyond that, if you really are an advocate of removing school zoning, you need to read up on San Francisco's debacle of an experiment. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/25/us/san-francisco-school-segregation.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

OK.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

There aren’t enough white kids to go around to make a difference. That’s the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

You know what else would be awesome? If the government bought everyone a Porsche. Sadly, that has about the same likelihood of a total lottery system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Ha! You should try living in the real world. People with children, especially white people with children, will end up outbidding everyone for any new housing in Ward 3. People will do anything to get their kids into those schools. And the idea that they'll just move the school boundaries is just laughable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

You know what else would be awesome? If the government bought everyone a Porsche. Sadly, that has about the same likelihood of a total lottery system.

At this point, with our national debt ... may as well buy everyone a car. It will be about as effective too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

This is actually a horribly inefficient way to achieve racial and social equity, mainly because it won't work.

1. A plan like this only works if the school population is more evenly balanced between high- and low-SES students. Right now in DC, that balance does not exist, so spreading the comparatively few high-SES students all over the city will not raise the fortunes of many schools.

2. Few parents are going to put up with the commuting involved here, especially for younger kids, and the creation of a new busing system (which would be needed to make this plan work) is a non-starter. DC is not going to put more vehicles on the roads on purpose.

3. Parents -- especially the involved parents DCPS needs -- would simply flee the system. Imagine telling someone with options, "We know you can walk five minutes to your neighborhood school where you know everyone and everyone knows you, but now your young kid has to travel an hour each way to an unfamiliar neighborhood." Their response would be, "GFY, bye."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any additional housing in Ward 3 will be bought by upper-middle class white people who will do anything to get their kids into Murch or Eaton or Wilson.

Increasing density is so *completely* pointless.

This

Eaton, really? Why would you pay top dollar to go to a school with a large OOB population. Kinda defeats the point.

I think that the point is that if you put 10K more people in Ward 3 (low estimates) or up to 30K more people, then the existing schools will simply not be enough. There will need to be new schools build to handle the increased K-12 demand/load. Right now the new Comp Plan does not address schools. Not sure if this is a deliberate oversite or just acknowledgement that the solution will cost money and school build sites would be competing with the far more profitable multi family housing build sites.

DC will just have to shift school boundaries south and east. It’s not rocket science. And a lot of new residents in smart growth mixed use new housing won’t have children of school age.

Everybody says this, however the statistics do not bear it out.

The new multi family housing will be occupied with the same percentage of families with kids as today if not more as the numbers are increasing. There is no statistic to indicate that an unusual percentage of single people or couples without and not having kids are going to suddenly populate DC.

Increase the number of families with kids and you need to increase the school capacity.

From a standpoint of racial and social equity, fairness and inclusion, the best, most efficient way forward is a total District-wide school lottery system, perhaps with a sibling preference.

This is actually a horribly inefficient way to achieve racial and social equity, mainly because it won't work.

1. A plan like this only works if the school population is more evenly balanced between high- and low-SES students. Right now in DC, that balance does not exist, so spreading the comparatively few high-SES students all over the city will not raise the fortunes of many schools.

2. Few parents are going to put up with the commuting involved here, especially for younger kids, and the creation of a new busing system (which would be needed to make this plan work) is a non-starter. DC is not going to put more vehicles on the roads on purpose.

3. Parents -- especially the involved parents DCPS needs -- would simply flee the system. Imagine telling someone with options, "We know you can walk five minutes to your neighborhood school where you know everyone and everyone knows you, but now your young kid has to travel an hour each way to an unfamiliar neighborhood." Their response would be, "GFY, bye."

True, but its revealing that the density crowd do want to turn DC into SF

[Anonymous]

Well, San Francisco is certainly a model of smart density growth with their diverse and successful school system, lauded homeless solutions and modern public transportation. /S

[Anonymous]

With significantly more height and density in high opportunity areas of the District, it will literally start raining more tax revenue, which means more, newer and better public schools. The challenge will take care of itself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With significantly more height and density in high opportunity areas of the District, it will literally start raining more tax revenue, which means more, newer and better public schools. The challenge will take care of itself.

No, it will mean even more charter schools in gentrifying neighborhoods. The local DCPS schools will struggle even worse. The gentrifyers will continue to segregate themselves as they always have.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With significantly more height and density in high opportunity areas of the District, it will literally start raining more tax revenue, which means more, newer and better public schools. The challenge will take care of itself.

No, it will mean even more charter schools in gentrifying neighborhoods. The local DCPS schools will struggle even worse. The gentrifyers will continue to segregate themselves as they always have.

Charter Schools are Public Schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, San Francisco is certainly a model of smart density growth with their diverse and successful school system, lauded homeless solutions and modern public transportation. /S

Yes, amazing. I am so excited by Bowser and her developer and council cronies vision. It will be amazing to have all of San Franciscos better density aspects!