South Arlington elementary school boundary adjustments 2019

[Anonymous]

How about a 0 for 0 policy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about a 0 for 0 policy?

Unless people change who they’re voting for in Arlington, putting the brakes on AH isn’t going to happen at all.

[Anonymous]

And Arlington just voted for gutshall, who supports more AH over anything else. Vihstadt supports affordable housing too, but he at least is willing to listen to concerns about cost (since AH per unit cost is now crazy) and geographic distribution. But in the end he still votes for it and all the funding.

So, if you don’t want more AH, move. It will never stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And Arlington just voted for gutshall, who supports more AH over anything else. Vihstadt supports affordable housing too, but he at least is willing to listen to concerns about cost (since AH per unit cost is now crazy) and geographic distribution. But in the end he still votes for it and all the funding.

So, if you don’t want more AH, move. It will never stop.

Yup. That's why option schools are critical to the long term future of AH; it's a political bargain. Once the farms rate goes up at a school, it tends to stay there, because it's a byproduct of a decades long commitment to keep nearby developments low income.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

Reid Goldstein is on board with Randolph becoming some form of option school. I’ve spoke with him about it. The staff ultimately does as directed. They aren’t concerned about south Arlington elementary schools because they have not been instructed to care about them. This is everyone’s only real shot at meaningful change to
Drew
Randolph
Barcroft
Abingdon
I’m sure south Arlington will totally blow it. There are too many competing interests and the Ah lobby is actively trying to hold the line at those schools. They need something to depress home values.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

Reid Goldstein is on board with Randolph becoming some form of option school. I’ve spoke with him about it. The staff ultimately does as directed. They aren’t concerned about south Arlington elementary schools because they have not been instructed to care about them. This is everyone’s only real shot at meaningful change to
Drew
Randolph
Barcroft
Abingdon
I’m sure south Arlington will totally blow it. There are too many competing interests and the Ah lobby is actively trying to hold the line at those schools. They need something to depress home values.

Look, it's already too late. I don't know why you want to keep banging your head against a brick wall. Randolph is the most walkable school in the county and it's not going to become an option school within the framework of neighborhood schools based on proximity, etc., etc. Game over.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

Reid Goldstein is on board with Randolph becoming some form of option school. I’ve spoke with him about it. The staff ultimately does as directed. They aren’t concerned about south Arlington elementary schools because they have not been instructed to care about them. This is everyone’s only real shot at meaningful change to
Drew
Randolph
Barcroft
Abingdon
I’m sure south Arlington will totally blow it. There are too many competing interests and the Ah lobby is actively trying to hold the line at those schools. They need something to depress home values.

Look, it's already too late. I don't know why you want to keep banging your head against a brick wall. Randolph is the most walkable school in the county and it's not going to become an option school within the framework of neighborhood schools based on proximity, etc., etc. Game over.

You seem weirdly invested in keeping that status quo.

[Anonymous]

It doesn’t matter whether Reid is on board. He is only one vote and tannia talento despises him. He has zero power and might as well be invisible at this point.

How would making Randolph and option School do anything? The focus of the school is irrelevant. Only a serious change in the balance of demographics will improve test scores. As long as the low income apartments are next door, that will not change the school. Those kids will always be within the walk zone and any option School will fail as well. If you don’t let those kids go there, they will then go to barcroft, sinking that School even further, no good. No umc family in north Arlington or in even much of south Arlington will send Their kid to a failing option School, even if there is space. gentrification is the only solution

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter whether Reid is on board. He is only one vote and tannia talento despises him. He has zero power and might as well be invisible at this point.

How would making Randolph and option School do anything? The focus of the school is irrelevant. Only a serious change in the balance of demographics will improve test scores. As long as the low income apartments are next door, that will not change the school. Those kids will always be within the walk zone and any option School will fail as well. If you don’t let those kids go there, they will then go to barcroft, sinking that School even further, no good. No umc family in north Arlington or in even much of south Arlington will send Their kid to a failing option School, even if there is space. gentrification is the only solution

Gentrification isn’t a realistic solution. Please join the conversation about schools.
Also, Talenton is the new kid. Reid, O’Grady, Kanninnen is the new majority.

[Anonymous]

The schools won’t change without gentrification. Housing policy IS School policy in Arlington whether you like it or not. And O’Grady is the new kid, not Talento.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The schools won’t change without gentrification. Housing policy IS School policy in Arlington whether you like it or not. And O’Grady is the new kid, not Talento.

Uh huh, and where were you 3 years ago when CARD tried to push that issue? That was the time.
Hilarious and absurd that you think Barcroft Apartments are going away. It’s 55 acres!
And the development rights have been transferred.

This is the moment to petition the school board to consider diversity as the number 1 priority in these schools. Much easier to have a school revamped to a choice program, than BULLDOZE 55 ACRES OF HOUSING.

Reid, O’Grady, Kanninen - you only have to convince those 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

Reid Goldstein is on board with Randolph becoming some form of option school. I’ve spoke with him about it. The staff ultimately does as directed. They aren’t concerned about south Arlington elementary schools because they have not been instructed to care about them. This is everyone’s only real shot at meaningful change to
Drew
Randolph
Barcroft
Abingdon
I’m sure south Arlington will totally blow it. There are too many competing interests and the Ah lobby is actively trying to hold the line at those schools. They need something to depress home values.

Look, it's already too late. I don't know why you want to keep banging your head against a brick wall. Randolph is the most walkable school in the county and it's not going to become an option school within the framework of neighborhood schools based on proximity, etc., etc. Game over.

You seem weirdly invested in keeping that status quo.

Oh FFS. I'm not. I've just been at this a lot longer than you and have realized what's what. The time to weigh in has passed. Where were you when it could have mattered? They've already built the framework for boundary decisions that reinforces patterns of residential segregation, just as the majority of people who contacted them, showed up at SB meetings, wrote in to Engage, etc. have asked them to do. They're not pulling this junk out of the air. They are responding to our community. And sad as it is, all evidence points to this being what our community wants. I am only hoping they don't mess up the option schools, too, by moving them to places that lower SES families won't be able to access so that they no longer reflect the diversity of our school population.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So since this is the S Arlington thread...

Is there a scenario where the placement of the option programs can be changed to help S Arlington demographic balancing? Specifically thinking of the Key immersion program that they want to move anyway.

This is where moving immersion to the ATS site would help. Still in north Arlington to get those parents, but could more easily pull Spanish speakers or even low SES families from Barrett or Carlin Springs.

It wouldn't pull any kids from Carlin Springs because that area is zoned Claremont for Immersion. Also, I fear ATS becomes yet another non-diverse school if it gets moved to the inaccessible Tuckahoe site. ATS should stay centrally located so it has a chance to maintain or improve its diversity (currently trending in the right direction). Swapping Key and ASFS would actually be preferable from a diversity standpoint. I don't think it's so far for current Key families that it becomes impossible, and if ASFS remains a neighborhood school, it would pull from a non-diverse neighborhood. Swapping Key and ASFS could mean two relatively diverse schools (immersion by design, and the school in the Key zone due to its diverse neighborhood) rather than just one.

There aren't any options that would help S Arlington balance if we're using proximity, efficiency, walk zones, etc. as the first limitation. For instance, given it's extreme walkability (all current student live within the walk zone), Randolph can't be balanced unless it's turned into an option school. And I have not heard that's being considered by staff at all. I just don't think there's much that can be done about diversity within the current framework. Frankly, the most truly diverse schools are the option schools. I hope staff doesn't mess that up, too.

Reid Goldstein is on board with Randolph becoming some form of option school. I’ve spoke with him about it. The staff ultimately does as directed. They aren’t concerned about south Arlington elementary schools because they have not been instructed to care about them. This is everyone’s only real shot at meaningful change to
Drew
Randolph
Barcroft
Abingdon
I’m sure south Arlington will totally blow it. There are too many competing interests and the Ah lobby is actively trying to hold the line at those schools. They need something to depress home values.

Look, it's already too late. I don't know why you want to keep banging your head against a brick wall. Randolph is the most walkable school in the county and it's not going to become an option school within the framework of neighborhood schools based on proximity, etc., etc. Game over.

You seem weirdly invested in keeping that status quo.

Oh FFS. I'm not. I've just been at this a lot longer than you and have realized what's what. The time to weigh in has passed. Where were you when it could have mattered? They've already built the framework for boundary decisions that reinforces patterns of residential segregation, just as the majority of people who contacted them, showed up at SB meetings, wrote in to Engage, etc. have asked them to do. They're not pulling this junk out of the air. They are responding to our community. And sad as it is, all evidence points to this being what our community wants. I am only hoping they don't mess up the option schools, too, by moving them to places that lower SES families won't be able to access so that they no longer reflect the diversity of our school population.

Yes. It makes sense to move them to somewhere like Barcroft or Randolph.

[Anonymous]

Card was great, but they didn’t move the ball much. The AH lobby and their supporters were bigger and they won. No one has heard from Card, which is too bad, but they couldn’t make change because so few people were willing to agree with them and actually do something.

And how would an option move barcroft? What would happen to the local kids who walk there? Send them to Randolph? Where would they fit into Randolph, there is no room. Aps would need an addition.