Pray for Charlotte, NC

[Anonymous]

Ok. I've watched all the videos. Has anyone explained HOW it got to the multiple police/surrounding his car. So Guy's just sitting there, and what? The police start interactung? For what reason? And then why did they call so many? And then something about the wife walking over outside the car? I just can't fathom how it got to the point they show in the videos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ok. I've watched all the videos. Has anyone explained HOW it got to the multiple police/surrounding his car. So Guy's just sitting there, and what? The police start interactung? For what reason? And then why did they call so many? And then something about the wife walking over outside the car? I just can't fathom how it got to the point they show in the videos.

"Central to the protests are the differing accounts between police and Scott's family over what led to his death. Authorities said officers were at the complex looking for another man named in a warrant when Scott pulled up next to the vehicle two of them were in.

One of those officers was Vinson, who said he saw Scott rolling a marijuana joint and then showing a gun, according to a police statement Saturday.

Police said the officers, who were in street clothes, went to another location and put on vests that identified them as police.

When they came back they ordered Scott to drop his gun. A uniformed officer who had arrived tried to break a window with his baton. Scott then got out of the car, a police statement said. Officers continued to yell at him to drop a gun before Vinson fired."

https://www.CNN.com/cnn/2016/09/24/us/charlotte-keith-lamont-scott-shooting-video/index.html?client=safari

Drugs + gun = felony, so they couldn't just ignore it.

[Anonymous]

A report from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics looked at four surveys taken in different years over nearly a decade and in those surveys three out of four individuals who reported that police used force against them believed it was excessive, according to the report.
While those who reported being hit or kicked were the most likely to think the force was excessive, the vast majority of people who were subject to force -- 87 percent -- believed police didn't behave properly.
Alternatively, 90 percent of those who did not have force used against them believed the police behaved properly.
There's your split.
There's your huge difference in opinion.
The people getting their asses kicked and getting shot by police (minorities) believe it's excessive while the people with no personal knowledge or experience of police aggression think all is well and dandy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

You're making up what happened they didn't run his license plate they were in the middle of looking for someone else what story are you following?
This is a man with a traumatic brain injury not Jesse James !!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

You're making up what happened they didn't run his license plate they were in the middle of looking for someone else what story are you following?
This is a man with a traumatic brain injury not Jesse James !!

After witnessing him roll a joint and show his gun I am pretty sure they ran the guys plate. That is pretty standard procedure.

Also there has been no medical proof of a TBI as of yet. This man could drive a car, read (even something complicated like the Quran) and hold down a job as a security guard in which his boss is quoted saying "He always did as he was told" and that he was a "good employee".

As a person with two disabled veterans in her family that have traumatic brain injuries I am skeptical he'd be able to carry on like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A report from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics looked at four surveys taken in different years over nearly a decade and in those surveys three out of four individuals who reported that police used force against them believed it was excessive, according to the report.
While those who reported being hit or kicked were the most likely to think the force was excessive, the vast majority of people who were subject to force -- 87 percent -- believed police didn't behave properly.
Alternatively, 90 percent of those who did not have force used against them believed the police behaved properly.
There's your split.
There's your huge difference in opinion.
The people getting their asses kicked and getting shot by police (minorities) believe it's excessive while the people with no personal knowledge or experience of police aggression think all is well and dandy.

Just FYI you're focusing on about less than 1.5% of interactions police have with the public. You're also ignoring the fact that has been mentioned earlier -- a police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be shot by a black male than to shoot an unarmed black male.

"in 2008, among people who had contact with police, “an estimated 1.4% had force used or threatened against them during their most recent contact"
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=84

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A report from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics looked at four surveys taken in different years over nearly a decade and in those surveys three out of four individuals who reported that police used force against them believed it was excessive, according to the report.
While those who reported being hit or kicked were the most likely to think the force was excessive, the vast majority of people who were subject to force -- 87 percent -- believed police didn't behave properly.
Alternatively, 90 percent of those who did not have force used against them believed the police behaved properly.
There's your split.
There's your huge difference in opinion.
The people getting their asses kicked and getting shot by police (minorities) believe it's excessive while the people with no personal knowledge or experience of police aggression think all is well and dandy.

Of those 87 percent how many were resisting arrest? How many had weapons? How many had violent priors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Statistics in terms of police misconduct mean little without something with which to compare them with. The first thing a police officer or anti-police accountability debater will tell you in a debate is that officers who are caught doing something wrong are a very small percentage of the police population in the US. Well, they are right, 28 out of 800,000 is a small percentage and nowhere near a majority of the police population in the US. In fact, our statistics indicate that just under 1000 per 100,000 police officers per year are involved in credible reports of police misconduct. Yes, that translates to under 1% of all police officers.

But, as I said, that number means little unless you have a comparison point. None better exist than the numbers Americans use to guage how bad crime is in the US, the FBI/DOJ Uniform Crime Reporting statistics or UCR for short. The UCR tells us what portion of the US population is involved in alleged reported criminal acts per year, just like the National Police Misconduct Statistics and Reporting Project Police Misconduct Statistical Report or NPMSRP for short statistics tell us how many officers are involved in alleged reported acts of police misconduct per year.



As you can see, when we examine violent crime statistics, law enforcement officers appear to be involved in violent crime in a comparable rate with the general population. 432 officers out of every 100,000 compared to 454.5 people out of every 100,000. So, roughly 0.43% vs 0.45%. Both seem like small numbers, don’t they? Yet most people would probably tell you that they are worried about the rate of violent crimes but not police misconduct even though both occur at similar rates statistically.

Needs to be reiterated for the stubborn and stupid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A report from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics looked at four surveys taken in different years over nearly a decade and in those surveys three out of four individuals who reported that police used force against them believed it was excessive, according to the report.
While those who reported being hit or kicked were the most likely to think the force was excessive, the vast majority of people who were subject to force -- 87 percent -- believed police didn't behave properly.
Alternatively, 90 percent of those who did not have force used against them believed the police behaved properly.
There's your split.
There's your huge difference in opinion.
The people getting their asses kicked and getting shot by police (minorities) believe it's excessive while the people with no personal knowledge or experience of police aggression think all is well and dandy.

Just FYI you're focusing on about less than 1.5% of interactions police have with the public. You're also ignoring the fact that has been mentioned earlier -- a police officer is 18.5 times more likely to be shot by a black male than to shoot an unarmed black male.

"in 2008, among people who had contact with police, “an estimated 1.4% had force used or threatened against them during their most recent contact"
http://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=tp&tid=84

Meant to say "18.5 times more likely to be shot by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be shot by police"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:22 eyewitnesses are now saying that it was not the black officer who shot that man to two people who are willing to go on camera or saying that was not the shooter

what?

I'm confused by your post.

The cop didn't shoot at him? Then who did?

She says it was the white officer.

ahh

ok

Ah
Ok
She's not the only one who says so

at this point - whatever!

too many conflicting stories

only evidence? a gun with Scott's DNA

Now whether or not he was aiming it is another story. That's why cops should de-escalate more and shoot to disable if necessary.

I would love to be given an example of how police can de-escalate a situation and shoot to disable without A) being mind readers B) putting themselves and bystanders in danger.

We've de-escalated in our alternative HS. Granted, kids had knives and not guns (unless you count a BB gun), but it's possible to talk people down. If he was high and out of his mind, then no. But you keep advocating shooting at the guy, which makes me think you're a little twisted.

No, cops aren't mind readers, but de-escalation is a "thing." You might want to educate yourself before you spout off killing someone again.

I have friends who are cops who would agree with me. One had to send supports to Ferguson during that last bout of riots. He agrees that cops should support communities and not be all gun happy. So yes, I support cops - but those who think rationally. As one who's worked with troubled kids who can eventually turn into troubled adults, there are others ways of handling some scary behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

You're making up what happened they didn't run his license plate they were in the middle of looking for someone else what story are you following?
This is a man with a traumatic brain injury not Jesse James !!

Yeah, but his boss said he was good at following directions. It's just that he refused to comply with police instructions to drop his gun - even though the command was issued a dozen times. If he had done as instructed, he'd be alive today.

Also, this is a bit of an aside, but while every loss of life is tragic, why do people have more compassion for an ex-felon who got himself shot by brandishing a gun and refusing to drop it than they do for the five truly innocent people just killed at the shopping mall in Washington? One was a 16-year-old girl who had survived cancer. Where's the outrage there?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:22 eyewitnesses are now saying that it was not the black officer who shot that man to two people who are willing to go on camera or saying that was not the shooter

what?

I'm confused by your post.

The cop didn't shoot at him? Then who did?

She says it was the white officer.

ahh

ok

Ah
Ok
She's not the only one who says so

at this point - whatever!

too many conflicting stories

only evidence? a gun with Scott's DNA

Now whether or not he was aiming it is another story. That's why cops should de-escalate more and shoot to disable if necessary.

I would love to be given an example of how police can de-escalate a situation and shoot to disable without A) being mind readers B) putting themselves and bystanders in danger.

We've de-escalated in our alternative HS. Granted, kids had knives and not guns (unless you count a BB gun), but it's possible to talk people down. If he was high and out of his mind, then no. But you keep advocating shooting at the guy, which makes me think you're a little twisted.

No, cops aren't mind readers, but de-escalation is a "thing." You might want to educate yourself before you spout off killing someone again.

I have friends who are cops who would agree with me. One had to send supports to Ferguson during that last bout of riots. He agrees that cops should support communities and not be all gun happy. So yes, I support cops - but those who think rationally. As one who's worked with troubled kids who can eventually turn into troubled adults, there are others ways of handling some scary behavior.

I haven't kept "advocating shooting at the guy" so not sure why you are accusing me of being a "little twisted". In fact no one in the quoted thread advocated for shooting at the guy. Considering I come from a long line of military and have several LEs in my family I've got a tiny bit of education on the matter. But please correct me here and show me where I spouted off about killing someone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

You're making up what happened they didn't run his license plate they were in the middle of looking for someone else what story are you following?
This is a man with a traumatic brain injury not Jesse James !!

Yeah, but his boss said he was good at following directions. It's just that he refused to comply with police instructions to drop his gun - even though the command was issued a dozen times. If he had done as instructed, he'd be alive today.

Also, this is a bit of an aside, but while every loss of life is tragic, why do people have more compassion for an ex-felon who got himself shot by brandishing a gun and refusing to drop it than they do for the five truly innocent people just killed at the shopping mall in Washington? One was a 16-year-old girl who had survived cancer. Where's the outrage there?

Where are the riots for all the children shot in chicago this year?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, this is a bit of an aside, but while every loss of life is tragic, why do people have more compassion for an ex-felon who got himself shot by brandishing a gun and refusing to drop it than they do for the five truly innocent people just killed at the shopping mall in Washington? One was a 16-year-old girl who had survived cancer. Where's the outrage there?

Maybe the outrage is tempered by expectations.
Maybe people don't expect the average idiot with a gun to respect human life but they naturally expect supposedly trained professionals assigned to serve and protect to be less trigger happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: And this latest witness is a white woman who says that Scott is out there every day waiting for his son get off the school bus and he's in his car reading a book.

i wonder why the book wasn't found but a gun was.

Exactly. Was the Quran found or not? Or was that just another inflammatory bit of fuel placed on the fire.

Also to the PP. What does that have to do with anything? He clearly had a gun, which was illegal for a felon to possses. He was clearly doing something his wife was telling him not to do.

Yea gun was found
Just like that female cop in ga that said a black man shit her
Just like the cop in St. Louis who planted the gun and said he was going to kill the suspect before he shot him
Just like Holtzclaw
Yea cops NEVER do anything wrong
The police depts never hire idiots and fail to train them
Never happens

Why is it that just because a few cops are untrained/malicious does that make EVERY case in which a black man is shot premeditated murder? There are millions of interactions every day with the police. Truly bad shootings on their part are very rare.

Why can't you concede that yea, looking at the evidence here, Mr Scott likely caused his own death?

He had a gun. He was a convicted felon. He had shot someone before. He didn't comply with officers.

Seriously how else is this case supposed to be viewed.

What he did BEFORE that day is irrelevant
And who says the gun was his, the cops ?
I do not necessarily believe them . So yea!

If cops called in his license plate and knew he was found criminally guilty of shooting another person, that might affect their judgment.

Or maybe not. I'm not an Internet tough guy like some of you. But I really want to go home to see my family at the end of every day.

You're making up what happened they didn't run his license plate they were in the middle of looking for someone else what story are you following?
This is a man with a traumatic brain injury not Jesse James !!

Yeah, but his boss said he was good at following directions. It's just that he refused to comply with police instructions to drop his gun - even though the command was issued a dozen times. If he had done as instructed, he'd be alive today.

Also, this is a bit of an aside, but while every loss of life is tragic, why do people have more compassion for an ex-felon who got himself shot by brandishing a gun and refusing to drop it than they do for the five truly innocent people just killed at the shopping mall in Washington? One was a 16-year-old girl who had survived cancer. Where's the outrage there?

Where are the riots for all the children shot in chicago this year?

+1.
The double standards are not just stupid. They are inmoral.