Plane crash DCA?

[Anonymous]

It’s chaos in every single branch of the government right now. But sure blame the airport.

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Anonymous wrote:The contributing factors to this crash will never be fully addressed. The fundamental problem is the orientation of Runway 33 vis-a-vis military traffic on the east side of the Potomac. It’s past time that Runway 33 is closed. If that means DCA has to shed a few slots so be it. Plenty of capacity at IAD.

That was also the opinion of a guest (aviation expert?) on nbc4 this morning. Planes have to swing out to the east side of the river to land on that runway, which brings them into the same space as the helicopters that fly low and the helicopters have to maintain visual distance. Too much can go wrong.

There were a lot of really bad “experts” on tv last night. It’s tempting to try to draw this conclusion, because you look at the map and feel like it makes sense. But it doesn’t explain the crash at all. It’s not true that the 33 approach somehow veers into a helicopter “lane.” And it doesn’t explain at all how the helicopter could have been somehow unaware of the plane.

I don’t know what happened but neither does anyone on tv right now. DCA being busy and the plane approaching 33 are just the things people can grab and talk about at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:The FAA has been understaffed and underfunded for decades. New cuts would be extremely dangerous.

Yup.

Trump is such an idiot!!! Indiscriminately telling ALL Federal employees they can quit. Even when we have a shortage and their jobs are a matter of life and death. Fox employees cannot take everyone’s place 🙄

Well, i would agree with you if this happened 1 month or even one week from today after a bunch of quits, but this is too recent to say it has anything to do with the OPM resignation; the other argument was that this is a leftover issue from the Biden administration but I don't think its either case so time to move off politics.

Nope. It’s Trump’s fault.

He claims credit for good items leftover from Biden and blames Biden for anything that doesn’t go well.

Using Trump’s own “rules,” this is on Trump.

Plus he has been harassing federal employees for the last week. ATCs are federal employees and already in a stressful job. Having the president talk about firing you and your friends only adds to the stress.

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Biden signed the bill that increase air traffic and this flight

I’m sure Trump will say that ask he and his friends continue their many increased helicopter flights and doubtful they will reverse the number of flights since it was mostly republicans pushing - Republic Senator Moran from Kansas specifically pushed for this route.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s chaos in every single branch of the government right now. But sure blame the airport.

+100

With emails to rat out co-workers, emails urging us to resign, threats….all from OPM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Im aware this is a forum for people who live in dc
but I'm in Wichita

We don't need a direct flight to dc daily, our congress people just wanted it for convenience

Overcrowded airport may be an issue but it’s not like it had anything to do with this particular flight. Could just as easily have been a flight from anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no need for a direct flight from
National to Wichita. That airport is too congested.

I feel awful for the poor ATCs

The flight was fine. DCA is fine.

The issue was the helicopter.

What is with the weird anti-DCA trolling?

I agree. Those are a conversation for another moment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

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Anonymous wrote:Im aware this is a forum for people who live in dc
but I'm in Wichita

We don't need a direct flight to dc daily, our congress people just wanted it for convenience

Overcrowded airport may be an issue but it’s not like it had anything to do with this particular flight. Could just as easily have been a flight from anywhere else.

Right. If DCA were used properly rather than being limited by the perimeter rule this would have been a 737 coming from Los Angeles or something.

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Anonymous wrote:The FAA has been understaffed and underfunded for decades. New cuts would be extremely dangerous.

Yup.

Trump is such an idiot!!! Indiscriminately telling ALL Federal employees they can quit. Even when we have a shortage and their jobs are a matter of life and death. Fox employees cannot take everyone’s place 🙄

Well, i would agree with you if this happened 1 month or even one week from today after a bunch of quits, but this is too recent to say it has anything to do with the OPM resignation; the other argument was that this is a leftover issue from the Biden administration but I don't think its either case so time to move off politics.

Nope. It’s Trump’s fault.

He claims credit for good items leftover from Biden and blames Biden for anything that doesn’t go well.

Using Trump’s own “rules,” this is on Trump.

Plus he has been harassing federal employees for the last week. ATCs are federal employees and already in a stressful job. Having the president talk about firing you and your friends only adds to the stress.

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Biden signed the bill that increase air traffic and this flight

It’s going to be the helicopter’s fault, so let’s figure out why they were there.

Isn't it weird that they say the plane hit the copter when copters are way more agile than the plane. Only one of those two could have quickly diverted. The copter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like Air Traffic Control error.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? The helicopter pilots screwed up.

Right. The ATC ask several times for PAT25 (helo) to confirm they see the CRJ and PAT25 doesn’t answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone have any experience with how this type of wreckage impacts use of the river in the near future? Thank god the river was mostly frozen and not being used by recreational boaters.

Mostly frozen? Temps have been above freezing for several days.

I work at the Wharf and the river freezes and unfreezes when it's in the 40s 50s during the day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DCA is fine. A lot of you don’t seem to understand that IAD does not even offer many of the routes DCA offers. I live closer to IAD but fly DCA most often due to the routes. I’m not “choosing” DCA. The routes choose for me. If you aren’t flying international or to the west coast you are more likely booking DCA.

So move those flights to IAD. Then IAD will offer those routes.

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Anonymous wrote:WTOP headline is

NEWS UPDATE: Authorities confirm no casualties after passenger flight with 64 aboard crashes midair with Black Hawk helicopter near Reagan National

For the past few years their headlines have been written terribly across the board

"Casualties" means the dead AND injured; many think the word only refers to the deceased but it is not a common mistake to think word applies to injured only. Whoever made this headline truly was confused.

AI

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no. I wonder if it’s one of those control tower snafus that didn’t get caught in time.

Air traffic controllers were too distracted

or too short staffed and over worked.

Or doing their job? It doesn't look like they did anything wrong!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCA is fine. A lot of you don’t seem to understand that IAD does not even offer many of the routes DCA offers. I live closer to IAD but fly DCA most often due to the routes. I’m not “choosing” DCA. The routes choose for me. If you aren’t flying international or to the west coast you are more likely booking DCA.

So move those flights to IAD. Then IAD will offer those routes.

The politicians don’t want to drive the extra 40 min to DC