Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges

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Anonymous wrote:Should’ve applied to Johns Hopkins.

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Yup.

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Anonymous wrote:It must be really exhausting being a person of Asian descent if you want to get into medicine. You clearly *must* be that much better than basically all races. The MCAT and gpas of med school matriculants speak for themselves:



On the flip side, this means I'll go out of my way from now on to go to Asian doctors only, because they clearly must be wayyyyy better than the average because of their race of they want a shot.

Maybe we should bring affirmative action lawsuits to multibillion dollar industries like professional sports that clearly don't have enough diversity because they draft players based on skill and not diversity. How many Asian and Hispanic players can you name in the NBA or NFL. Those leagues are allowed to ignore diversity in admissions because they draft based on skills alone. If they're allowed, so should universities.

I will engage you since it seems people love to use the NBA as an example of why it is ok not to pursue diversity when it comes to players?

1) The NBA provides entertainment for customers. In order to put forward the best experience, teams draft the "best" players. Unlike in other areas of American life where so-called "merit" is often subjective (i.e., based on who is evaluating and what "standards" they want to use), NBA players show their talents by scoring, defending, etc. which show up in stats

2) Elite colleges are choosing which students get to join their "teams". So long as the students pass a threshold of acceptability when it comes to SATS and grades, whatever that may be (it seems like Harvard uses the 98th percentile for SATS/ACTs), then they take into account a number of factors including the race, geography, ECs, etc. These schools aren't picking these students to satisfy the needs of the public or consumers. These colleges aren't admitting the kids with only the highest SATs and grades. If that were the case, there still wouldn't be enough room to accommodate all the kids with perfect scores, so then what?

Also, I have a problem with your notion that someone getting a higher score or grades would make them a better doctor. Any doctor passing their boards should be capable of being a good doctor. Same goes with lawyers. Just because someone aced the LSAT and got great grades doesn't make them a better lawyer...

It’s a dumb analogy because NBA teams aren’t subject to any rules on how they select players. They’re setting their own standards and behaving accordingly. Colleges are doing exactly the same and these people just don’t like their standards.

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So nonsensical, and not capable of understanding proper analysis. Interesting!

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Anonymous wrote:This case is going nowhere. Those stats are run of the mill at those schools, regardless of ethnicity.

I doubt more than 5% high school grads earn these stats.

Do you realize how many kids that 5% is?

More than 17,000 kids are in the top 1% of SAT scores alone. Harvard only admitted 2,318 applicants. So even if being in the top 1% were their sole criteria (and in fact it appears that 90% of admitted students were), more than 14,000 kids in the top 1% would be (and were) rejected.

Around 2000 x t20 = 40,000
They(top 1%) should at least get in a T20 school.

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Anonymous wrote:This case is going nowhere. Those stats are run of the mill at those schools, regardless of ethnicity.

I doubt more than 5% high school grads earn these stats.

Do you realize how many kids that 5% is?

More than 17,000 kids are in the top 1% of SAT scores alone. Harvard only admitted 2,318 applicants. So even if being in the top 1% were their sole criteria (and in fact it appears that 90% of admitted students were), more than 14,000 kids in the top 1% would be (and were) rejected.

Around 2000 x t20 = 40,000
They(top 1%) should at least get in a T20 school.

So you believe the only criterion for admission to a T20 school should be the SAT?

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Anonymous wrote:This case is going nowhere. Those stats are run of the mill at those schools, regardless of ethnicity.

I doubt more than 5% high school grads earn these stats.

Do you realize how many kids that 5% is?

More than 17,000 kids are in the top 1% of SAT scores alone. Harvard only admitted 2,318 applicants. So even if being in the top 1% were their sole criteria (and in fact it appears that 90% of admitted students were), more than 14,000 kids in the top 1% would be (and were) rejected.

Around 2000 x t20 = 40,000
They(top 1%) should at least get in a T20 school.

So you believe the only criterion for admission to a T20 school should be the SAT?

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Won't happen. Which is, of course, why this thread was created. I think deep down, those who have to learn to the test know they are truly f**ked.

[Anonymous]

The SAT has lost its "high stakes" relevance.

People are in denial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else get the feeling this board has been hijacked by someone trying to get us to fight with each other?

Yes.

And it worked.

[Anonymous]

Friend says that he's seen an interesting shift in California, and offers this as an example: one of the top students from an Asian-heavy school was rejected from the UCal institutions to which she applied. Which isn't unusual, except in this case the student was Nigerian-American. Speculation from my friend and others who closely are watching college admissions is that UCal has moved from explicitly discriminating on race, to discriminating based on the demographics of the high school, on the grounds that this will continue to allow them to racially discriminate while maintaining plausible deniability.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend says that he's seen an interesting shift in California, and offers this as an example: one of the top students from an Asian-heavy school was rejected from the UCal institutions to which she applied. Which isn't unusual, except in this case the student was Nigerian-American. Speculation from my friend and others who closely are watching college admissions is that UCal has moved from explicitly discriminating on race, to discriminating based on the demographics of the high school, on the grounds that this will continue to allow them to racially discriminate while maintaining plausible deniability.

Of course!! This is why I do not understand the high population of (insert type here) in one town/municipality. The smart parents move to middle-of-nowhere places, such as parts of the midwest. Demographic representation is far from the end.

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Anonymous wrote:This case is going nowhere. Those stats are run of the mill at those schools, regardless of ethnicity.

I doubt more than 5% high school grads earn these stats.

Do you realize how many kids that 5% is?

More than 17,000 kids are in the top 1% of SAT scores alone. Harvard only admitted 2,318 applicants. So even if being in the top 1% were their sole criteria (and in fact it appears that 90% of admitted students were), more than 14,000 kids in the top 1% would be (and were) rejected.

Around 2000 x t20 = 40,000
They(top 1%) should at least get in a T20 school.

So you believe the only criterion for admission to a T20 school should be the SAT?

Most of these kids also have high gpa and rigor as well as good ECs, essay, leadership, interview, etc.

It's not a common case to have only supirior SAT. Didn't you see the Harvard data?

They know all the criterion involved, and prepared.

That's why Harvard had to introduce courage/kindness/likability score.

Google it for further information.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The SAT has lost its "high stakes" relevance.

People are in denial.

Is that what they told you??

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Anonymous wrote:Friend says that he's seen an interesting shift in California, and offers this as an example: one of the top students from an Asian-heavy school was rejected from the UCal institutions to which she applied. Which isn't unusual, except in this case the student was Nigerian-American. Speculation from my friend and others who closely are watching college admissions is that UCal has moved from explicitly discriminating on race, to discriminating based on the demographics of the high school, on the grounds that this will continue to allow them to racially discriminate while maintaining plausible deniability.

Of course!! This is why I do not understand the high population of (insert type here) in one town/municipality. The smart parents move to middle-of-nowhere places, such as parts of the midwest. Demographic representation is far from the end.

Your "friend" is clueless.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend says that he's seen an interesting shift in California, and offers this as an example: one of the top students from an Asian-heavy school was rejected from the UCal institutions to which she applied. Which isn't unusual, except in this case the student was Nigerian-American. Speculation from my friend and others who closely are watching college admissions is that UCal has moved from explicitly discriminating on race, to discriminating based on the demographics of the high school, on the grounds that this will continue to allow them to racially discriminate while maintaining plausible deniability.

Ok, so when faced with proof that Black skin does not guarantee entry into a top school, instead of adjusting your world view you imagine an even grander conspiracy in which Asian Americans are yet again the victims? That's a sign of an unhealthy mind.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does the kid blame affirmative action rather than legacy admits? It’s pretty offensive.

Both need to be fixed

Only one is blasted all over the news. Everywhere I look I see the headline "blames affirmative action" but no mention of the fact that ~30% of these seats go to legacy admits.

How in the world can you get your face plastered all over the news blaming affirmative action which might (at best if you REALLY stretch) account for 5%-8% of elite school admissions - while ignoring the ~30% set aside for legacy admissions.

This!!! A thousand times

Yes, ALDC is next.

Yeah right. The courts are not getting rid of legacy admits. How would they get their dear children admitted to their alumni schools. Athletic admits won’t disappear, for there is far too much money in college athletics.

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Anonymous wrote:Friend says that he's seen an interesting shift in California, and offers this as an example: one of the top students from an Asian-heavy school was rejected from the UCal institutions to which she applied. Which isn't unusual, except in this case the student was Nigerian-American. Speculation from my friend and others who closely are watching college admissions is that UCal has moved from explicitly discriminating on race, to discriminating based on the demographics of the high school, on the grounds that this will continue to allow them to racially discriminate while maintaining plausible deniability.

So what you are saying is that in an Asian majority high school with graduates strong enough to compete for Caltech, one of the best universities in the world, one of that high school's very best students was a Nigerian?

And the supposition is that this top student was denied entry to CalTech because their classmates were Asian?