Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

+1 you're really not going to convince anyone that nurses have it easier. For a lot of reasons that should be obvious.

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Playing the suffering olympics versus nurses is not a good look for teachers.

Why not just tell us how your job is harder than those at meat-packing facilities.

You’re comparing apples to oranges there. Teachers have a 4 yr degree as a minimum. Many workers in meat packing aren’t even legal in this country. Not comparable. Teachers and nurses are similar in terms of education. Both professions have shortages but nobody wants to listen to those doing the job as to why they are leaving. In many cases, it’s an easy, cheap fix.

UGHHHH. You aren't getting the point. Different jobs have different features and are not comparable, and yet you insist on comparing them to say that teachers have it worst. You are COMPARING nurses and teachers to say teacher have it worse, not allowing that they are NOT COMPARABLE.

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Nurses should be paid much more than teachers. And have guaranteed lifelong pensions too. And months of vacation too.

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Anonymous wrote:I want a job where I’m overworked but am compensated for it. My friends who aren’t teachers work a lot but make over $150k per year. I make $75k. Maybe I’d make that much if I charged for my OT. The job cannot be done with one 45 minute prep period per day. Most days I get zero planning due to meetings and other BS.

Teachers seem to have gross misunderstandings about pay in comparable professions. Most people with degrees in the arts, humanities, and social sciences aren't making $150k a year. Not even those with masters degrees. Add in the health/retirement benefits, and the ability to earn more money over the summer (or save money on child care), and teachers get compensated pretty well.

But I acknowledge the hours are long. We do need to find a way to give teachers more prep time.

This is a weird qualification. First, STEM teachers exist and don't have a completely different salary scale. Second, teaching in most states requires a professional degree or certification in *teaching*. I feel like you're trying to say teachers are only comparable to people with arts and humanities degrees, despite there not being a direct relationship, because you think both have lower earning power. Or maybe because you think teaching is an impractical career choice, which...well, isn't that exactly the problem?

Well, first of all, I think STEM and SpEd should be on different scales. It’s the arts, humanities, and social science teachers stopping that.

Second, we’re talking about the type of profession, not just the degree. Teaching, even STEM teaching, is much more closely linked to the arts, humanities, and social sciences than jobs in math, science, engineering, and medicine.

Third, often the degrees aren't even the same. And even when they are, someone going into math education is going to be taking a different set of classes than someone planning to go into an actuarial, engineering, analysis, or finance career.

This is a really weird comparison. Those going into engineering and finance make WAY WAY less than a math teacher with a Mathematics BS. An engineering degree generally doesn't even get you a minor in math. I've never met a math major who couldn't grasp engineering concepts. I've met plenty of engineers who couldn't grasp many mathematical concepts.

That said, engineers dont make 150k salaries for a BS unless they have lots of experience or very specialized knowledge. But I believe everyone is overworked these days. In differnt ways. The key is finding the way to be overworked that you mind the least.

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I think y'all are arguing with, like, ONE teacher here.

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Nurses should be paid much more than teachers. And have guaranteed lifelong pensions too. And months of vacation too.

The nurses I know who have kids don't work in the summer (and don't get paid) same as teachers do.

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Nurses should be paid much more than teachers. And have guaranteed lifelong pensions too. And months of vacation too.

The nurses I know who have kids don't work in the summer (and don't get paid) same as teachers do.

The nurses you know are all part-time and work PRN? Maybe you hang out with rich nurse friends. Because part-time PRN work is not a full-time staff nurse.
And these two professions are NOT comparable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think y'all are arguing with, like, ONE teacher here.

Agree. They really need to get over themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

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Nurses should be paid much more than teachers. And have guaranteed lifelong pensions too. And months of vacation too.

The nurses I know who have kids don't work in the summer (and don't get paid) same as teachers do.

How in the world do they pull that off?

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Anonymous wrote:I want a job where I’m overworked but am compensated for it. My friends who aren’t teachers work a lot but make over $150k per year. I make $75k. Maybe I’d make that much if I charged for my OT. The job cannot be done with one 45 minute prep period per day. Most days I get zero planning due to meetings and other BS.

So what do you do during your monthly long weekends, your four weeks of paid vacation between Sept and May, and your three months off in the summertime?

Your friends probably don’t have the ability to retire on a pension after 20 years after just an easy BA or easy masters degree either.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

I’m a teacher and my husband is a medical professional. We both worked on MLK day, but my work was completed at home, unpaid, while he worked for time and a half. THAT is the problem.

Please tell us what kind of medical professional he is, how much his education cost, what degrees has had and how long it took, and what hours he worked and how much he got paid during training.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

Nurses and other medical professionals have to work holidays. I have missed either Thanksgiving or Christmas with my family every year of my adult life. Teachers don't have that problem.

Teachers don’t even work a full month of school days.

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Anonymous wrote:Nurses are overworked.

Nurses don't take work home, nor are they expected to.

Nursing has a ratio problem, so yes they're "overworked" while on the clock, but they can home home without having to have patient meetings and paperwork on their own time.

That’s because they work 12 hour shifts to complete their work at work. Try to reach a public school teacher outside of 9-3:30 weekdays and you never will.

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Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

This sounds like the life of many professionals who sit in meetings all day.

If you think teaching is the only job that requires preparation and follow up your own time you are extremely sheltered. This is exactly the myopic attitude among teachers that people complain about. Every outpatient doctor I know pre-charts before work, sees patients all day, comes home (by dinner time if lucky), puts kids to bed (again if lucky) and then is back to work completing documentation for the day. And it’s never done.

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Anonymous wrote:This was on my FaceBook feed a couple of weeks ago:

“I think teaching is the only job in which you have to work before you get to work so you have work to do at work. Then you have no time to do work at work, so you have to work after work to catch up on all the work you didn’t do while at work.”

Sums it up quite well for me.

It's not the only job where that is true. I am a Fed at that is true.

Fair enough.

Teacher here, and curious…
What sort of work do you do at home? What “work before you get to work” does your job require? We know that in the context of teaching that is grading (so work can be returned/discussed) and planning lessons. That’s my Sunday-Thursday nights.

No snark intended at all. I’m just curious what this looks like for other professions.

Lady if you have such a time clock punching mentality that you can’t fathom any other job that requires preparation before work for work and more work after work you need to go work in a factory or fast food place bc the only other jobs that don’t have really long shifts so you can do all that work at work. It’s shocking how ignorant this is and how put-upon you sound. And before you start complaining about how much more those other professions make, try going and getting a law degree or a medical degree or whatever profession you think is so unfairly compensated.