Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Were assault-style weapons always so readily available though? Harder to kill 20 people at a time with a pistol.

But was it even attempted? How many teen gunman were going into elementary schools with ANY gun 30+ years ago?

Gun were readily available then too

It republicans and Fox News.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Then they will just shoot them at the mall or movie theater or concert or grocery store. Nowhere is safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

Also, tons of money started going into 2a lobbying and marketing.

Instead of selling guns primarily for recreation/hunting, they started pushing guns for "safety, security, protection", shaping the gun culture away from hunting to military cosplay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

But the conservatives will find you at the supermarket or maybe just break into your house. They are really committed to killing children. I guess that is by they are anti abortion?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

Also, tons of money started going into 2a lobbying and marketing.

Instead of selling guns primarily for recreation/hunting, they started pushing guns for "safety, security, protection", shaping the gun culture away from hunting to military cosplay.

How NRA Advertising Changed The Second Amendment–And American Gun Culture -- The NRA’s brand messaging over the last four decades shows just how political the organization has become.
https://www.fastcompany.com/40477572/how-nra-advertising-changed-the-second-amendment-and-american-gun-culture

The NRA went from this:



to this:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Then they will just shoot them at the mall or movie theater or concert or grocery store. Nowhere is safe.

That's not a school shooting - not a classroom full of kids.

[Anonymous]

288 school shootings in the US. Next highest is Mexico with 8. 27 elementary children killed by cyanide poisoning in 2005 in the Phillipines. If we don't stop looking the other way at vicious bullying, don't you think people will make bombs or poisons? Having been to three high schools, I will say the best thing about TJ was the fact that the majority identified/consequenced bullying instead of kissing up to the more mean, scary ones like they were gods. We NEED to stop idolizing bullies and call them out. I don't know why if you tell people the truth about what happened to you, you get attacked more, or others try it. It is some freak human nature that we don't name rape victims because people are MORE likely to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If women were the shooters behind mass shootings, or any shootings, you can guarantee that men would enact some gun laws to prevent women owning guns. At very least women would have to jump through multiple hoops, testing, go to different states, etc.

This is a gun problem.
This is a male problem.

Do you know how many women vote in GOP candidates? Do you know how many women are standing up -- quite vocally -- for 2A rights? Do you know how many of these women are mothers who still don't care about children being gunned down to change their voting or blathering on about guns, and abortion, and shooters who need church because they lacked morality?

Feminist here who will never say this is a male problem. Women may not pull the trigger, but the certainly enable it every single time.

Come on. Do not excuse the men who pull the trigger like this. You are not being honest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few thoughts:

1) Mental health is a big issue.
2) Video games/social media are contributing to the problem.
3) Banning AR15s or even all guns won’t completely eliminate the problem.
4) increasing security may help some but again having one armed cop does not mean a determined gun person won’t succeed.

But it would help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

Also, tons of money started going into 2a lobbying and marketing.

Instead of selling guns primarily for recreation/hunting, they started pushing guns for "safety, security, protection", shaping the gun culture away from hunting to military cosplay.

This is a good point. Though the 2A wasn't made to ensure people are able to hunt. It was made so people always are able to protect their family/property and prevent against government tyranny. Though the government tyranny with your home rifles or even ARs is a moot point now since modern military weaponry is so far more advanced. But I do agree there has been heavy lobbying to convince people they have this high need to have a gun and protect themselves

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What can I do TODAY to move the needle so that this does not happen again? Write someone? Who?!

Nobody here wants to do a single thing new to protect child safety at school unless it's a form of gun control law (that may never become law).

So, in the meantime, a sure way to prevent our kids from being shot at school is to not attend school. Can home school. If all kids were home schooled, there would be zero school shootings.

Another alternative - home school boys only. Since 1989, every mass shooting at school (K-12) has been perpetrated by a male.

FCPS budget is $3.3 billion / 90,000 families maybe? (180k students) = roughly $36,700 per family. Just pay people to home school. $36,700/year. We can make it tax free. That's $3,000/month per family after tax to not work and keep your would be killers home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

I think that is not a bad idea. You are right, they are usually teens or early 20s. But that doesn't stop them from proxy access through their parents.

Then let's start charging parents with criminal negligence. There are so many easy answers here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

Also, tons of money started going into 2a lobbying and marketing.

Instead of selling guns primarily for recreation/hunting, they started pushing guns for "safety, security, protection", shaping the gun culture away from hunting to military cosplay.

This is a good point. Though the 2A wasn't made to ensure people are able to hunt. It was made so people always are able to protect their family/property and prevent against government tyranny. Though the government tyranny with your home rifles or even ARs is a moot point now since modern military weaponry is so far more advanced. But I do agree there has been heavy lobbying to convince people they have this high need to have a gun and protect themselves

You did not have an individual right to a firearm under 2A until the Heller decision of 2008. The current reading of 2A hasn’t even been around for 20 years.

That’s how brainwashed we are as a society by the NRA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been a lot of guns in the US and access hasn't changed much. If anything, access is more regulated than it was 50+ years ago. Yet we have many many more mass shootings. What variable changed? Is it social media? Different expectations for kids? Lack of mental health instituations- particularly residential ones?

Pre 1970s it wasn't all that hard to have someone committed to mental institution if they were unstable. Now, not only it that extremely difficult to do, there are very very few even left.

I think the mass shootings need to be addressed from both angles. Stricter gun lines/more regulation but also more mental health resources. And by resources I mean institutions. All the "therapy" in the world isn't enough.

Firearms today are more powerful and more efficient than in the 1970s. Less recoil, lighter, able to dispense bigger rounds more quickly, higher quality production processes, etc. Further, the gun industry has "democratized" - there are more manufacturers tpday than in the 1970s. The equipment to produce firearms is not that expensive relative to the 1970s. It's easier to do more damage more quickly in 2022 compared to the 1970s.

The internet has vastly lowered the bar for acquiring a firearm. You can chat with someone online and do a private transaction in a parking lot that same day.

The internet has also allowed gun hobbyists (and legit psychopaths) to find each other online and inspire one another. The internet and social media has led to an arms race among gun hobbyist to acquire ever more powerful firearms as a point of pride. The manufacturers have popped up to meet demand and to figure out how to circumvent gun laws. It's a cultural ecosystem where all the players involved feed off each others' enthusiasm for firearms.

Finally, the US has a toxic culture. No social trust, solidarity, or empathy for fellow Americans. Adding guns to this culture is just a recipe for violence.

I honestly think the most effective gun legislation would be to ban ownership for anyone under the age of 25 who is not active duty military, national guard, or police. Vast majority of gun crimes - excluding domestic violence - are committed by men under the age of 25. This group is also responsible for most gun suicides.

I think that is not a bad idea. You are right, they are usually teens or early 20s. But that doesn't stop them from proxy access through their parents.

Interestingly, it's legal to charge men under 25 more for car insurance...and it's constitutional for a state to require car insurance to drive.