Wootton Announces They Have Formally Retained Silverman & Thompson

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Oh you are arguing an entirely different point. I'm glad we agree that there is no decrease in walkers compared to current state.

And even still to use your math

One school requiring buses and drivers is less than two schools requiring buses and drivers. So there are fewer buses under this proposal than even the originally planned state.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

You are drinking mcps kool aid. Would you allow your kid walk up to 60 minutes one way across 6 lane intersections near a highway?

Even if the number of walkers say the same (it doesn’t), Wootton parkway is a much safer walk. Thats why neighborhood schools matter.

And also the Crown location IS a neighborhood school. But you might have that same incredibly myopic view of what it means to be a neighborhood. There is a much higher density of people who live in walking distance to Crown than to the current Wootton location.

My brother in Christ you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously it’s not the same group of walkers, even MCPS isn’t crazy enough to suggest Parkway kids are walkers to Crown. But the number of walkers per MCPS calculation includes kids who would be walking from Hunting Hills, Nolan, and Stonebridge communities. Those kids are going to walk about 45-60 minutes across 6 lanes. That’s why MCPS walker data is a joke.

Of course Crown is a community with walkers, but let’s not pretend Crown HS on net has more walkers. MCPS walker data is actually a great example of how MCPS doesn’t make data driven decisions. Instead, they make a decision and create whatever data needed to justify their decision making.

Like PP above, just watch this play out during the next round.

I don't get your point at all. I said there will be roughly the same total number of students walking to school at the Crown location than there is at the Parkway location. This is true.

So, the argument that this decision results in a meaningful amount more buses is false.

Ok I’ll try to make this super simple.

1. There won’t be roughly the same by any metric. First, on net, there are more walkers to Wootton than to Crown if you are comparing walkers to walkers in a reasonable way.
2. As the other PP were explaining, two high schools naturally would produce more walkers than one high school. So even if we pretend #1 isn’t true and let’s even pretend Crown has more walkers than Wootton on net, when you close Wootton…all of Wootton’s walkers go away and now will have to be bussed.

If you don’t get #2 and are suggesting closing an entire school doesn’t result in less walkers, then I give up on explaining this.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

You are drinking mcps kool aid. Would you allow your kid walk up to 60 minutes one way across 6 lane intersections near a highway?

Even if the number of walkers say the same (it doesn’t), Wootton parkway is a much safer walk. Thats why neighborhood schools matter.

And also the Crown location IS a neighborhood school. But you might have that same incredibly myopic view of what it means to be a neighborhood. There is a much higher density of people who live in walking distance to Crown than to the current Wootton location.

My brother in Christ you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously it’s not the same group of walkers, even MCPS isn’t crazy enough to suggest Parkway kids are walkers to Crown. But the number of walkers per MCPS calculation includes kids who would be walking from Hunting Hills, Nolan, and Stonebridge communities. Those kids are going to walk about 45-60 minutes across 6 lanes. That’s why MCPS walker data is a joke.

Of course Crown is a community with walkers, but let’s not pretend Crown HS on net has more walkers. MCPS walker data is actually a great example of how MCPS doesn’t make data driven decisions. Instead, they make a decision and create whatever data needed to justify their decision making.

Like PP above, just watch this play out during the next round.

I don't get your point at all. I said there will be roughly the same total number of students walking to school at the Crown location than there is at the Parkway location. This is true.

So, the argument that this decision results in a meaningful amount more buses is false.

Ok I’ll try to make this super simple.

1. There won’t be roughly the same by any metric. First, on net, there are more walkers to Wootton than to Crown if you are comparing walkers to walkers in a reasonable way.
2. As the other PP were explaining, two high schools naturally would produce more walkers than one high school. So even if we pretend #1 isn’t true and let’s even pretend Crown has more walkers than Wootton on net, when you close Wootton…all of Wootton’s walkers go away and now will have to be bussed.

If you don’t get #2 and are suggesting closing an entire school doesn’t result in less walkers, then I give up on explaining this.

Where do you get the bolded?

And to be clear again, my point was that there are no less walkers than current state. Agree that one less school facility results in less people walking. But that is a different point. And creating more walkers is not reason alone to open an unneeded facility.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

You are drinking mcps kool aid. Would you allow your kid walk up to 60 minutes one way across 6 lane intersections near a highway?

Even if the number of walkers say the same (it doesn’t), Wootton parkway is a much safer walk. Thats why neighborhood schools matter.

And also the Crown location IS a neighborhood school. But you might have that same incredibly myopic view of what it means to be a neighborhood. There is a much higher density of people who live in walking distance to Crown than to the current Wootton location.

My brother in Christ you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously it’s not the same group of walkers, even MCPS isn’t crazy enough to suggest Parkway kids are walkers to Crown. But the number of walkers per MCPS calculation includes kids who would be walking from Hunting Hills, Nolan, and Stonebridge communities. Those kids are going to walk about 45-60 minutes across 6 lanes. That’s why MCPS walker data is a joke.

Of course Crown is a community with walkers, but let’s not pretend Crown HS on net has more walkers. MCPS walker data is actually a great example of how MCPS doesn’t make data driven decisions. Instead, they make a decision and create whatever data needed to justify their decision making.

Like PP above, just watch this play out during the next round.

I don't get your point at all. I said there will be roughly the same total number of students walking to school at the Crown location than there is at the Parkway location. This is true.

So, the argument that this decision results in a meaningful amount more buses is false.

Ok I’ll try to make this super simple.

1. There won’t be roughly the same by any metric. First, on net, there are more walkers to Wootton than to Crown if you are comparing walkers to walkers in a reasonable way.
2. As the other PP were explaining, two high schools naturally would produce more walkers than one high school. So even if we pretend #1 isn’t true and let’s even pretend Crown has more walkers than Wootton on net, when you close Wootton…all of Wootton’s walkers go away and now will have to be bussed.

If you don’t get #2 and are suggesting closing an entire school doesn’t result in less walkers, then I give up on explaining this.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

Let’s see the financials. You don’t have them. Same number of students need teachers and administrators. What exactly is the cost comparison? Since you have no clue what transportation costs are, you can’t do any cost analysis. You must work for MCPS! No cost data, no financials, no planning, just spit balling.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

You are drinking mcps kool aid. Would you allow your kid walk up to 60 minutes one way across 6 lane intersections near a highway?

Even if the number of walkers say the same (it doesn’t), Wootton parkway is a much safer walk. Thats why neighborhood schools matter.

And also the Crown location IS a neighborhood school. But you might have that same incredibly myopic view of what it means to be a neighborhood. There is a much higher density of people who live in walking distance to Crown than to the current Wootton location.

My brother in Christ you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously it’s not the same group of walkers, even MCPS isn’t crazy enough to suggest Parkway kids are walkers to Crown. But the number of walkers per MCPS calculation includes kids who would be walking from Hunting Hills, Nolan, and Stonebridge communities. Those kids are going to walk about 45-60 minutes across 6 lanes. That’s why MCPS walker data is a joke.

Of course Crown is a community with walkers, but let’s not pretend Crown HS on net has more walkers. MCPS walker data is actually a great example of how MCPS doesn’t make data driven decisions. Instead, they make a decision and create whatever data needed to justify their decision making.

Like PP above, just watch this play out during the next round.

I don't get your point at all. I said there will be roughly the same total number of students walking to school at the Crown location than there is at the Parkway location. This is true.

So, the argument that this decision results in a meaningful amount more buses is false.

Ok I’ll try to make this super simple.

1. There won’t be roughly the same by any metric. First, on net, there are more walkers to Wootton than to Crown if you are comparing walkers to walkers in a reasonable way.
2. As the other PP were explaining, two high schools naturally would produce more walkers than one high school. So even if we pretend #1 isn’t true and let’s even pretend Crown has more walkers than Wootton on net, when you close Wootton…all of Wootton’s walkers go away and now will have to be bussed.

If you don’t get #2 and are suggesting closing an entire school doesn’t result in less walkers, then I give up on explaining this.

Where do you get the bolded?

And to be clear again, my point was that there are no less walkers than current state. Agree that one less school facility results in less people walking. But that is a different point. And creating more walkers is not reason alone to open an unneeded facility.

Look at the actual walkers data MCPS provided for crown. Eliminate 45-60 walks that require crossing 6 lane highways. I already told you the exact neighborhoods. Look at hunting hills, nolan (by Trader Joe’s), and stone mill. The number of neighborhood kids who are actually walkable to Crown is way less to Wootton Parkway, which is a substantially safer walk that doesn’t involve kids crossing multi lanes during rush hour next to a highway.

If you think the walk from any of those surrounding neighborhoods named above is reasonable, then we clearly have different definitions of what reasonable is.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

Let’s see the financials. You don’t have them. Same number of students need teachers and administrators. What exactly is the cost comparison? Since you have no clue what transportation costs are, you can’t do any cost analysis. You must work for MCPS! No cost data, no financials, no planning, just spit balling.

So you think it is possible that the expense of a few buses is more than the expense of operating a high school facility?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

Let’s see the financials. You don’t have them. Same number of students need teachers and administrators. What exactly is the cost comparison? Since you have no clue what transportation costs are, you can’t do any cost analysis. You must work for MCPS! No cost data, no financials, no planning, just spit balling.

So you think it is possible that the expense of a few buses is more than the expense of operating a high school facility?

Not the PP you are responding to but I’ll take a crack.

The growth data coming from MCPS, much like the walker data, also doesn’t make sense. This particular area is growing. So a few options here when we look into the future, like 5-10 years out (which MCPS admits they don’t plan for)

1. Crown becomes overcrowded. New additions will be built out. First, that’s going to be costly, not to mention the timeline of building said additions. Second, most parents (myself included) don’t like a super school. I don’t want my kids going to a school with 3,000 kids.
2. They realized they messed up and reopen Wootton. By then, renovations will cost even more due to neglect and abandonment, but even more important than the fact that this will literally cost more money in the long run, is the cost to students and families. The instability and uncertainty of it all will hurt kids the most.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

Let’s see the financials. You don’t have them. Same number of students need teachers and administrators. What exactly is the cost comparison? Since you have no clue what transportation costs are, you can’t do any cost analysis. You must work for MCPS! No cost data, no financials, no planning, just spit balling.

CIP Meeting #3 presentation had a breakdown of how much it'd cost to open Crown as a new school vs. moving Wootton.

Slide 43, so about 9 million per year.

Other people in this thread will be interested in this presentation because it also addresses info about walkers and busses.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DSHKY55415DA/$file/02.01%20Supt%20Rec%20Secondary%20Prog%20Analysis%20Boundary%20Studies%20260312%20PPT%20REV.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

You are drinking mcps kool aid. Would you allow your kid walk up to 60 minutes one way across 6 lane intersections near a highway?

Even if the number of walkers say the same (it doesn’t), Wootton parkway is a much safer walk. Thats why neighborhood schools matter.

And also the Crown location IS a neighborhood school. But you might have that same incredibly myopic view of what it means to be a neighborhood. There is a much higher density of people who live in walking distance to Crown than to the current Wootton location.

My brother in Christ you have no idea what you are talking about. Obviously it’s not the same group of walkers, even MCPS isn’t crazy enough to suggest Parkway kids are walkers to Crown. But the number of walkers per MCPS calculation includes kids who would be walking from Hunting Hills, Nolan, and Stonebridge communities. Those kids are going to walk about 45-60 minutes across 6 lanes. That’s why MCPS walker data is a joke.

Of course Crown is a community with walkers, but let’s not pretend Crown HS on net has more walkers. MCPS walker data is actually a great example of how MCPS doesn’t make data driven decisions. Instead, they make a decision and create whatever data needed to justify their decision making.

Like PP above, just watch this play out during the next round.

Elementary school boundaries will change and there will likely be more walkers to Crown after that adjustment. Plus the new neighborhood behind Shady Grove hospital will have walkers and there is no reason for them not to walk besides personal preference. That neighborhood will start to fill in the next 1-2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel ridiculous asking this 34 pages into a thread, but was looking for a place to ask it. Can you help me understand, as someone who does not understand the geography of the area (I'm just bad at geography and live on the other side of the county) what decision has been made that people are so upset about it, and why people are upset about it?

A huge high school building and an artificial turf football field are going to be boarded up and abandoned in a residential neighborhood. A neighbor school will be shuttered and all of the students that could walk to that school will not need to be buses elsewhere. MCPS doesn’t have money for more buses and can’t afford to transport these students.

The bigger issue is that this is just the beginning of Taylor’s plan to shut down school buildings across the county. He wants to board up dozens of schools for developers to tear down the schools and build condos.

Untrue. Many many students will still be able to walk to the school. Potentially even a higher number of students. It is just a different subset of them.

This is why planning is so important. You are wrong. Crown was always going to have a walk zone. Wootton has a walk zone. The Wootton walk zone is being eliminated and all those students must now be bused. That means more buses, more bus drivers, more diesel fuel under Taylor’s folly.

I am not wrong. The same amount of students will be able to walk to school after this change as before.

How sad. What school failed you? An entire high school walk zone is being eliminated when Wootton HS closes. That means for the same number of students, MCPS will have to increase the number of buses in operation. Instead of two walk zones, there will only be one.

Let me break this down for you:
Today there are zero walkers to Crown.
When this goes into effect there will be many walkers to the Crown location.
Roughly the same number of walkers who currently walk to the Wootton location.

It is not an increase.

Praying you aren’t a MCPS admin troll. Let’s try this:

2 schools with walkers - 1 school with walkers = 1 school with walkers.

MCPS built a new high school. That school would have walkers. Taylor is now eliminating the walkers from another school that was planned to be open and functioning. There would have been two hs with walkers. That was the plan. The budget must now change because Taylor is eliminating an entire hs of walkers. Planners need to buy more buses, hire more drivers.

Are you trying to say that there is an overall increase in expense because a few more buses are needed? As compared to what? The overall expense of operating an entire high school? Seems like this is the much more fiscally prudent option to buy a few buses than open and run an additional high school facility.

Let’s see the financials. You don’t have them. Same number of students need teachers and administrators. What exactly is the cost comparison? Since you have no clue what transportation costs are, you can’t do any cost analysis. You must work for MCPS! No cost data, no financials, no planning, just spit balling.

CIP Meeting #3 presentation had a breakdown of how much it'd cost to open Crown as a new school vs. moving Wootton.

Slide 43, so about 9 million per year.

Other people in this thread will be interested in this presentation because it also addresses info about walkers and busses.

https://go.boarddocs.com/mabe/mcpsmd/Board.nsf/files/DSHKY55415DA/$file/02.01%20Supt%20Rec%20Secondary%20Prog%20Analysis%20Boundary%20Studies%20260312%20PPT%20REV.pdf

The Plan was always to open Crown as a new high school. That money was planned for in the MCPS long range plans.

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Stop stretching. The reason for the move mainly is Wootton per you all is unsafe.

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But it isn’t. Slide says it can be used tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:I am the person who asked on the previous page what is going on--what decision has been made and why people are upset. I am trying to piece it together from your answers, but am struggling. It sounds like wootton is a long-existing high school that is in serious disrepair. The community there asked for help. The county put off repairing it, and now, in the recent boundary study, decided to close that school building entirely and send the kids who would have gone there to an existing school in Gaithersburg. Is that correct?

You have the essential facts there. I think the deep feelings protesting the removal of Wootton to Crown HS speaks to the organic community attachment we have for our neighborhood schools. We see this in Silver Spring, with the likely closure of SSIMS and the likely moving of Sligo Creek ES. People don't want holding schools in their neighborhoods, they want their local community to have use of the schools.

I really can't blame anyone for feeling this way.

That’s precisely it. MCPS is doing very shady things with SSIMS. They didn’t succeed in closing SSIMS so now they are going the de facto closure route. Through the boundary study, they have artificially made SSIMS severely under utilized. During the next es/ms study, they will then use that underutilization and building condition (both of which issues they intentionally created themselves) to justify closing SSIMS.

Even if you have no dog in the Wootton fight, this should be a warning. MCPS will intentionally create problems and conditions to justify their intended goal. The ends always justify the means with them.

SSIMS families see this happening right in front of their eyes. A lot more other folks will be blindsided during es/ms closure. By the time they realize, it’ll be too late.

Not just Silver Spring schools. When Option H passed, the resolution also had a lengthy list of elementary school reassignment changes. IMHO, that really speaks to how wrong this whole process is. For a stated high/middle school boundary, to then arbitrarily and unilaterally change elementary assignments... just Wow. And I suspect many of those ES communities don't even know their school was affected. But BOE justifies it as, well we're doing an ES boundary study next, so there will be plenty of time for community engagement. Except that they only cherry pick what they want to hear and then label anyone opposed as racist.

Watch out.

This isn't true. Only middle and high school boundaries were changed in this study. Assigning an elementary school to feed to a different middle or high school doesn't change the elementary school's own boundaries.