Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

[Anonymous]

Financial aid isn’t the problem.

Complaining about how other people donate and direct their donations is absurd.

This is philanthropy.

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Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Financial aid isn’t the problem.

Complaining about how other people donate and direct their donations is absurd.

This is philanthropy.

That’s nice. Label it as philanthropy for upper middle class. I am sure you will get tons of donations.

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In my kids school financial aid is allocated to upper middle class families that don’t really need it, so I am lucky to know that there is no need to donate.

But still, there is some off to have inclusion for BMW owners. Maybe it feels good to you.

Who are you kidding? You can’t afford to donate but like to act like a big benefactor. You know how I know? Donors can direct how their contributions are spent. If they want their money to be allocated to certain areas or programs, they will instruct the schools to do so. These generous donors don’t find excuses not to donate.

Yes… donations without disclosures. What can be possibly wrong with that?

That’s how I know you never donate.

That would be wonderful. At least thee would be some disclosure.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Financial aid isn’t the problem.

Complaining about how other people donate and direct their donations is absurd.

This is philanthropy.

That’s nice. Label it as philanthropy for upper middle class. I am sure you will get tons of donations.

Every donor is free to direct their donation exactly how they want to. The donations are going exactly where they are intended to.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

Families earning 250k or more get financial aid and …… families earning 250k or more pay full tuition…… makes total sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Financial aid isn’t the problem.

Complaining about how other people donate and direct their donations is absurd.

This is philanthropy.

That’s nice. Label it as philanthropy for upper middle class. I am sure you will get tons of donations.

Every donor is free to direct their donation exactly how they want to. The donations are going exactly where they are intended to.

Sure. I guess there is no reason to conceal the income of financial aid recipients. All donors will be happy to know how they support affluent middle class families. Yes it’s a very good marketing strategy.

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Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

Families earning 250k or more get financial aid and …… families earning 250k or more pay full tuition…… makes total sense.

Maybe for someone with a simple understanding of economics and household budgets.

It’s been explained numerous times why some families with that HHI may not be able to pay full rate. Here’s a hint, family size, medical expenses, student debt, mortgage, and other expenses. It’s not to say that these families will never be able to pay full tuition. They just can’t at this time. Part of FA is also to foster a loyal alumni base that will contribute in the future. These recipients are future donors.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Schools should allow teaches kids to go for free. Point is it should be targeted to low income.

Sounds reasonable to me, as long as the household income justifies free tuition.

Why? I get perks and bonuses at work. Shouldn't teachers?

Last year my bonus was 200k. I think teachers work harder than I do. I couldn't do it.

Normally you don’t get a 50k perk.

You should donate more for financial aid.

Like all my money? What would prompt you to say that about someone else's finances when you don't know how much people donate. There are literally families at our school that have donates millions. You're just upset that you haven't been able to get your hands on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

You need to vote. Get everyone you can together and change this system. Complicity and complacency perpetuate the system. Change it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Socialism for the rich, golden parachutes, tax payer bailouts, tax cuts for the rich, tariffs on groceries...thank a rich person today, for our wonderful corruption proof system

Woe is me. The world so so unfair and everyone conspires to keep me down. Why can’t the someone else pays for everything I need. Why do I have to work so hard?!?!

Then just eliminate financial aid. I think it would be better. No give away to upper middle class families.

Since I can’t have it, nobody can.

It’s was sarchasm for the oligarch parent that was trolling another parent. But no. It’s very simple. Don’t give money to people that can pay for school. Very simple.

What are your criteria for who can pay? HHI, AGI, home equity, number of dependents, number of children enrolled, retirement balance, assets, or debt to income ratios? How do you know what these are for the ‘upper middle class’ families that you think are unfairly receiving aids?

Families earning 250k or more get financial aid and …… families earning 250k or more pay full tuition…… makes total sense.

Maybe for someone with a simple understanding of economics and household budgets.

It’s been explained numerous times why some families with that HHI may not be able to pay full rate. Here’s a hint, family size, medical expenses, student debt, mortgage, and other expenses. It’s not to say that these families will never be able to pay full tuition. They just can’t at this time. Part of FA is also to foster a loyal alumni base that will contribute in the future. These recipients are future donors.

That’s make total sense. That’s why schools should definitely exclude all low income families. Thanks for the lesson in economics.

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Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

Not at all. Private schools and donors are doing exactly what they want to do.

Of course, since there is full disclosure everybody knows exactly how their donations are spent.

Clearly not everyone needs to know to accomplish the published mission of the school.

Speak for yourself. When I donate money I am interested to know how the money is used. If it’s no used appropriately I can donate my money to other causes. What is so outrageous about that?

Not everyone donates, so they don't need to know. If you donate, then ask for that information. Problem solved.

In my kids school financial aid is allocated to upper middle class families that don’t really need it, so I am lucky to know that there is no need to donate.

But still, there is some off to have inclusion for BMW owners. Maybe it feels good to you.

Why send your kids to a school that does that? You are complicit in a problem you creat and complain about. I'm ok with the way our school allocates money, otherwise I'd leave.

I think it’s simpler not to donate, as long as the quality of education is good I am ok staying.

More concerning is the attitude of parents towards low income kids and how they have stereotypes about them. That is more problematic to avoid in private school. Also the entitlement of upper middle class parents that think they deserve the financial aid when people put a lot of effort to pay for it. Just noticing the dysfunctionality of many parents in this thread.

Hopefully the parents at your school don't have differing values to yours. We looked at 9 schools and chose to apply to 4. Of those my kid chose where they would fit in best. So far (5 years), we really like the culture and I trust the school to maintain the culture that enables my kid to thrive. Once that changes, we will leave. Luckily I do have one of those kids who would be fine in most places.

Most the parents I know are super nice. What is a bit puzzling for me is that even though the parents are customers and paying for a service, it’s unusual to provide feedback on things you might disagree.

For some reason people find offensive to suggest more transparency and disclosure when it’s pretty common in many organizations to improve transparency.

For the trolls, no, you don’t leave school because you disagree with something. The same way you don’t resign from your job if you have a bad colleague.

I provide feedback to our school all the time. I also donate a lot so I sometimes provide clear stone loud feedback. Financial aid isn't one of my topics though. I understand that am ok with it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you cannot afford private school tuition for your kids, that is your own fault. Stop blaming other people or getting angry at the financial aid systems.

Look in the mirror, and figure out why your finances are not in better shape. You can apply for financial aid, but realize there is a very limited amount of philanthropy available.

Financial aid is not the problem. Your terrible finances are the problem. Own your mistakes.

Sure. Financial aid is working perfectly—based on the available data.

Oh wait, there is no data. Never mind. Feel free to keep donating money based on opaque decisions.

Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about the free food at a food pantry. It is money donated and given as philanthropy. You really need to get a life.

No. Complaining about financial aid is like complaining about people with bmws going to get food at the food bank.

They are DONATING the food at the food bank and quite possibly distributing as they see fit. It's you who wants te free food and comes for a hand out complaining about the donors.

Not really. When the food is not given to the people that really needs it, I see a problem. Maybe it’s ok for you.

If a church collects food, they normally give to those in their congregation first. These people may not be the most needy, but they are part of the community. This is similar to a school that gives tuition breaks for multiple kids. Many are already part of that community. Many recipients might also have parents or family members who attended the school. These people are also part of that community. Maybe they are only middle class and can't afford the school otherwise, but again are not truly the most needy. Others might be the children of teachers and faculty members. Those faculty members might have working spouses and might be MC but otherwise might not be able to send their kids there. So similarly to the way a church food bank preferentially helps their community, these schools prefer their community too. These MC families need the aid to stay in the community. Sorry that upsets you, but it's the way charity works everywhere. We help our own first, our neighbors second, everyone else third.

Schools should allow teaches kids to go for free. Point is it should be targeted to low income.

Sounds reasonable to me, as long as the household income justifies free tuition.

Why? I get perks and bonuses at work. Shouldn't teachers?

Last year my bonus was 200k. I think teachers work harder than I do. I couldn't do it.

Normally you don’t get a 50k perk.

You should donate more for financial aid.

Like all my money? What would prompt you to say that about someone else's finances when you don't know how much people donate. There are literally families at our school that have donates millions. You're just upset that you haven't been able to get your hands on it.

In case you are interested in teachers having full tuition you can donate money for that. It’s possible. Wait, I now understand, financial aid should be generous with someone’s else money, not mine. That makes sense.