The PG Pool is racist [MD]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

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Nobody cared about any of this until there was a wait list. You have to see that white people are coopting the racial justice concept to try to jump the list.

Or nobody felt comfortable speaking out until finding this anonymous forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

The city sold the property. How does the city continue to subsidize them?

In any case, minorities have been at the pool for the past 45 years and have equal access to membership. They are current members. This is a faux racial justice story.

The ongoing subsidy is in two parts. The first part is equal to the present value of the market value of the land in 1950 minus $10. The second part is the loss of property tax revenue over the last 70 years from higher value land uses.

This is what the PG Pool owes to PG County.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

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Nobody cared about any of this until there was a wait list. You have to see that white people are coopting the racial justice concept to try to jump the list.

Or nobody felt comfortable speaking out until finding this anonymous forum.

There is plenty of speaking out on the Mount Rainier listserve about this topic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

+1

Nobody cared about any of this until there was a wait list. You have to see that white people are coopting the racial justice concept to try to jump the list.

Or nobody felt comfortable speaking out until finding this anonymous forum.

There is plenty of speaking out on the Mount Rainier listserve about this topic

The idea that folks have been shy about expressing their concerns about PG Pool is way off-base.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

+1

Nobody cared about any of this until there was a wait list. You have to see that white people are coopting the racial justice concept to try to jump the list.

Or nobody felt comfortable speaking out until finding this anonymous forum.

Well this is demonstrably not true. I see you’re not on the listserv.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

+1

Nobody cared about any of this until there was a wait list. You have to see that white people are coopting the racial justice concept to try to jump the list.

Or nobody felt comfortable speaking out until finding this anonymous forum.

Well this is demonstrably not true. I see you’re not on the listserv.

oh i am and see that every year someone posts about this pool only to be shutdown

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

The city sold the property. How does the city continue to subsidize them?

In any case, minorities have been at the pool for the past 45 years and have equal access to membership. They are current members. This is a faux racial justice story.

The ongoing subsidy is in two parts. The first part is equal to the present value of the market value of the land in 1950 minus $10. The second part is the loss of property tax revenue over the last 70 years from higher value land uses.

This is what the PG Pool owes to PG County.

Actually makes sense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

The city sold the property. How does the city continue to subsidize them?

In any case, minorities have been at the pool for the past 45 years and have equal access to membership. They are current members. This is a faux racial justice story.

The ongoing subsidy is in two parts. The first part is equal to the present value of the market value of the land in 1950 minus $10. The second part is the loss of property tax revenue over the last 70 years from higher value land uses.

This is what the PG Pool owes to PG County.

Actually makes sense.

No, it does not. There is no evidence on this thred that the property was worth anything more than $10. Today, you can buy an acre in Maryland for almost nothing but not close to DC of course. Second, there is no evidence on this thred that the pool benefits from a reduced property tax rate that it should not receive. Not all property is taxed as if it were commercial property, and should not be. Built out commercial and residential properties are more burdensome on govt resources that other uses. Tax rates should bear some resemblance to burden on govt resources.

[Anonymous]

The simple solution is to form a new pool club or community. If the PGP really has 4,000 families on its wait list, the demand is there. If 2,000 families committed 1,000 a year for 5 years, someone could quickly get a new pool up and running, financed by dues and bank debt. Someone should work the numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:How much does the PG Pool pay in property taxes?

Zero

That’s ridiculous and false.

It has tax exempt status. All the private pools are going to be tax exempt.

Uhm. No.

It has 501c7 status.

I don’t get this. Are you claiming that it still pays taxes even though it has 501c7 status? Or are you claiming that other pools like Adelphi do not have that status.

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Anonymous wrote:How much does the PG Pool pay in property taxes?

Zero

That’s ridiculous and false.

It has tax exempt status. All the private pools are going to be tax exempt.

Uhm. No.

It has 501c7 status.

I don’t get this. Are you claiming that it still pays taxes even though it has 501c7 status? Or are you claiming that other pools like Adelphi do not have that status.

Whether the pool is exempt from income taxes is different than whether it is exempt from property taxes. Latter are much harder to obtain.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple solution is to form a new pool club or community. If the PGP really has 4,000 families on its wait list, the demand is there. If 2,000 families committed 1,000 a year for 5 years, someone could quickly get a new pool up and running, financed by dues and bank debt. Someone should work the numbers.

You can buy an acre of land in PGC for well under $100K.

https://www.landwatch.com/maryland-land-for-sale/prince-georges-county/undeveloped-land/acres-under-10

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Anonymous wrote:The simple solution is to form a new pool club or community. If the PGP really has 4,000 families on its wait list, the demand is there. If 2,000 families committed 1,000 a year for 5 years, someone could quickly get a new pool up and running, financed by dues and bank debt. Someone should work the numbers.

The PG Pool should provide compensation from the excess subsidy that they have received from PG County to provide for the purchase of land to build a new pool.

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Anonymous wrote:The simple solution is to form a new pool club or community. If the PGP really has 4,000 families on its wait list, the demand is there. If 2,000 families committed 1,000 a year for 5 years, someone could quickly get a new pool up and running, financed by dues and bank debt. Someone should work the numbers.

You can buy an acre of land in PGC for well under $100K.

https://www.landwatch.com/maryland-land-for-sale/prince-georges-county/undeveloped-land/acres-under-10

So the six acres that would be needed is $600k that the PG Pool should pony up.

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Anonymous wrote:Umm. It’s not a county pool. Anyone can sign up to join. I understand the racist history from 50+ years ago, but there are no legacy memberships handed down. Are there no publicly available county pools in the area? We live in DC and used to go to the indoor splash park in PG when our kids were little, paying the nonresident fees.

The pool is on public land.

It is not on public land.

The land the pool sits on was formerly public land that was provided for free to create an intentionally discriminatory pool community that excluded Black members.

Correct. The ‘Board of County Commissioners for Prince George’s County” sold over 6 acres of land to the PGP in 1956 for $10.

How many millions should the PG Pool owe PG County taxpayers for this?

That’s not how it works.

How does it work? Government gives freebie to white racists and then tells its current majority minority population that they must continue to subsidize them? Is that how it works? Black and Brown people having their assets given away to white racists with no compensation or justice?

The city sold the property. How does the city continue to subsidize them?

In any case, minorities have been at the pool for the past 45 years and have equal access to membership. They are current members. This is a faux racial justice story.

The ongoing subsidy is in two parts. The first part is equal to the present value of the market value of the land in 1950 minus $10. The second part is the loss of property tax revenue over the last 70 years from higher value land uses.

This is what the PG Pool owes to PG County.

Actually makes sense.

No, it does not. There is no evidence on this thred that the property was worth anything more than $10. Today, you can buy an acre in Maryland for almost nothing but not close to DC of course. Second, there is no evidence on this thred that the pool benefits from a reduced property tax rate that it should not receive. Not all property is taxed as if it were commercial property, and should not be. Built out commercial and residential properties are more burdensome on govt resources that other uses. Tax rates should bear some resemblance to burden on govt resources.

There is literally an apartment community across the street. The value of the land that PG Pool sits on is the equivalent to the value of the land of the multi-family parcel across the street. The PG Pool property tax rate is based on the value of the zoned land, which us currently non-residential and the value of the improvements. It would be easy to compare the land valuation to the apartment across the street to determine the value of that land if it was housing. The county would also get to collect tax on the higher value of the improvement and also the additional residents would be contributors to society: working jobs, paying taxes and buying stuff.

It’s even worse when you consider that the PG Pool is a half-mile and 10 minute walk from the West Hyattsville Metro Station. Is this the best land use near a Metro station? The PG Pool is literally taking away from potential affordable housing for transit-oriented development for climate change adaptation so that it can provide a tax-payer subsidized, segregated recreational facility for affluent white people who mostly come from outside the community in cars.

Everything about this pool is bad. Everything.