I'm a rationale conservative - can you convince me voting rights legislation is needed?

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Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.

I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.

No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.

Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.

And the fact that so many ballots of Democrats in El Paso were rejected and so few Republican ones were just makes no difference to you. That’s a pretty big irregularity - some would say fraud perpetrated by the GOP - that you just want to wave away. Sounds like you support the GOP cheating apparatus.

An intelligent person might consider the possibility that more democrat ballots actually had issues than gop ballots.

Only the racists and fascists believe that. Every accusation Republicans made was a lie. They couldn’t come up with one legitimate case in court. They are T addressing problems. Republicans are trying to prevent legal votes by legal voters because Republicans are fascists.

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Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.

I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.

No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.

Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.

And the fact that so many ballots of Democrats in El Paso were rejected and so few Republican ones were just makes no difference to you. That’s a pretty big irregularity - some would say fraud perpetrated by the GOP - that you just want to wave away. Sounds like you support the GOP cheating apparatus.

An intelligent person might consider the possibility that more democrat ballots actually had issues than gop ballots.

Only the racists and fascists believe that. Every accusation Republicans made was a lie. They couldn’t come up with one legitimate case in court. They are T addressing problems. Republicans are trying to prevent legal votes by legal voters because Republicans are fascists.

Fascist, anti-democratic, anti-modernity… the GOP is a real sack of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.

I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.

No proof that there is a problem with integrity of the vote. You are putting up a red herring fallacy.

Best to be proactive then to deal with irregularities and fraud after the fact.

And the fact that so many ballots of Democrats in El Paso were rejected and so few Republican ones were just makes no difference to you. That’s a pretty big irregularity - some would say fraud perpetrated by the GOP - that you just want to wave away. Sounds like you support the GOP cheating apparatus.

An intelligent person might consider the possibility that more democrat ballots actually had issues than gop ballots.

Only the racists and fascists believe that. Every accusation Republicans made was a lie. They couldn’t come up with one legitimate case in court. They are T addressing problems. Republicans are trying to prevent legal votes by legal voters because Republicans are fascists.

See.
When you come out with the name calling and the false labels, we know you have no argument. Just a bunch of complaining and whining.

We have arguments. It's called - "you keep losing in court because you have no case".

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Wait weren’t conservatives saying Delaware’s voting laws were too restrictive? Huh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

I’m a centrist Democrats, and I think some of the commotion about some ID proposals may be a little overheated.

But lots of states are Democratic fiefdoms. You should want to avoid letting Republicans adopt bad voting and gerrymandering rules that could shut Republicans out of ever winning statewide elections in those states.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

No.

Why can’t every eligible person vote for a 3 week 24 hour a day 7 day a week period leading up to an election?
What is the harm?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

No.

Why can’t every eligible person vote for a 3 week 24 hour a day 7 day a week period leading up to an election?
What is the harm?

No state’s going to pay poll workers 24 hours a day, each day, for three weeks. I hate Trump and I strongly oppose Republican changes in the voting laws but no state’s going to pay for this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is excessively difficult. Citizens shouldn't have to jump through extra hoops to be able to vote safely and efficiently.

I'm glad to see some states putting measures in place to ensure the integrity of the vote.
Especially when it comes to mail in ballots.

It reminds me of the 1960’s show “My Favorite Martian” when Uncle Martin says “I have a cousin on Phobos who has invented a cure for which there is no known ailment!”
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-campaign-lawsuits-election-results-2020-11

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

No.

Why can’t every eligible person vote for a 3 week 24 hour a day 7 day a week period leading up to an election?
What is the harm?

No state’s going to pay poll workers 24 hours a day, each day, for three weeks. I hate Trump and I strongly oppose Republican changes in the voting laws but no state’s going to pay for this.

If only they had boxes one could drive or walk up to. Then they could deposit their vote at any time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

No.

Why can’t every eligible person vote for a 3 week 24 hour a day 7 day a week period leading up to an election?
What is the harm?

No state’s going to pay poll workers 24 hours a day, each day, for three weeks. I hate Trump and I strongly oppose Republican changes in the voting laws but no state’s going to pay for this.

If only they had boxes one could drive or walk up to. Then they could deposit their vote at any time.

There are. They are called mail boxes. They are welcomed to use them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

No.

Why can’t every eligible person vote for a 3 week 24 hour a day 7 day a week period leading up to an election?
What is the harm?

No state’s going to pay poll workers 24 hours a day, each day, for three weeks. I hate Trump and I strongly oppose Republican changes in the voting laws but no state’s going to pay for this.

If only they had boxes one could drive or walk up to. Then they could deposit their vote at any time.

There are. They are called mail boxes. They are welcomed to use them.

Not with Republicans suing to end voting by mail or doing fascist crap like leaving only one box in Democratic areas in which to deposit absentee votes. If the GOP didn’t cheat, they wouldn’t win. Just to reiterate for the tenth or so time this thread: the GOP in Texas knows they’ve lost on numbers and that only their cheating has helped them hold the state. That’s fascism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

I’m a centrist Democrats, and I think some of the commotion about some ID proposals may be a little overheated.

But lots of states are Democratic fiefdoms. You should want to avoid letting Republicans adopt bad voting and gerrymandering rules that could shut Republicans out of ever winning statewide elections in those states.

If you're going to make a statement like that, where's your cites? Facts? because that is just completely false.

[Anonymous]

Youngkin and the GOP just tried to restrict voting in VA. That was killed in the Senate.

But, hey, thanks mask haters and anti-CRT folks who voting them in . . . the GOP is trying left and right to pass things that would take us back to the times of "Macaca" and transvaginal ultrasounds.