FCPS forbids student showing homework to another student?

[Anonymous]

Is there a rule in FCPS that forbids a student showing his completed homework to another student? I recently heard that there is such a rule which I found interesting and troubling. My kids study with their classmates after school all the time, should I instruct them to never show their completed homework to their classmates.

[Anonymous]

Not that I know of.

Teacher

[Anonymous]

No.

[Anonymous]

Maybe there is a big copying issue.

[Anonymous]

Who told you this, op??

[Anonymous]

OP here. An assistant principal at a FCPS.

The background is that my DD finished her HW that was not due until a week later. Her classmate asked to see and she send a copy to her. DD did not think about the other kid may copy hers but the other kid did without her knowing. School took disciplinary action on both equally based on the claim that there is a rule "somewhere" that both giving and receiving HW information is a violation. Got a F for the whole quarter.

I never heard of this rule and feel unfair. I can understand cheating and copying is a violation, but unknowing being copied by another? This will obviously destroy her grade for the whole year and left a disciplinary record.

[Anonymous]

It's cheating. If Student A copies Student B's homework to turn in for credit, it's cheating. Unfortunately in this day and age, while it sucks for Student B if his/her hw is copied w/o his/her knowledge, it has to be assumed that if Student B shares it before it is due, Student A wants it in order to copy it. I think it a different situation if the 2 students worked on it together, say on a weekend, or in a Google Classroom platform, but it doesn't sound like that's what happened here.

I have heard this policy as it applies to cheating.

Sorry that your kid is Student B in this scenario, OP. Lesson learned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here. An assistant principal at a FCPS.

The background is that my DD finished her HW that was not due until a week later. Her classmate asked to see and she send a copy to her. DD did not think about the other kid may copy hers but the other kid did without her knowing. School took disciplinary action on both equally based on the claim that there is a rule "somewhere" that both giving and receiving HW information is a violation. Got a F for the whole quarter.

I never heard of this rule and feel unfair. I can understand cheating and copying is a violation, but unknowing being copied by another? This will obviously destroy her grade for the whole year and left a disciplinary record.

You're an AP at FCPS?

I think that an F for the quarter is a huge over reaction to this, and I'd fight it, but at my school (not FCPS) kids are absolutely held responsible for making sure that others aren't copying for them. They are specifically instructed that if someone says "Can I see your homework", or asks "What did you get on . . . ?" They should refuse. Sending someone your work so they can copy would be an honor code violation, and might result in an F on that particular assignment, or a replacement assignment, or a similar measured consequence.

[Anonymous]

Has to be a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. An assistant principal at a FCPS.

The background is that my DD finished her HW that was not due until a week later. Her classmate asked to see and she send a copy to her. DD did not think about the other kid may copy hers but the other kid did without her knowing. School took disciplinary action on both equally based on the claim that there is a rule "somewhere" that both giving and receiving HW information is a violation. Got a F for the whole quarter.

I never heard of this rule and feel unfair. I can understand cheating and copying is a violation, but unknowing being copied by another? This will obviously destroy her grade for the whole year and left a disciplinary record.

You're an AP at FCPS?

I think that an F for the quarter is a huge over reaction to this, and I'd fight it, but at my school (not FCPS) kids are absolutely held responsible for making sure that others aren't copying for them. They are specifically instructed that if someone says "Can I see your homework", or asks "What did you get on . . . ?" They should refuse. Sending someone your work so they can copy would be an honor code violation, and might result in an F on that particular assignment, or a replacement assignment, or a similar measured consequence.

I read it that way at first too. I think what the OP means is that this was told to him/her by an AP.

[Anonymous]

OP here. Sorry for the confusion. No I am not an AP, I was responding to the question of who told me about the rule.

Thanks for the feed backs. I want to hear your opinions and perspectives. Please keep them coming.

I feel that my DD was not defensive enough to protect herself against something like this. But kids are kids and do things without thinking through all the possibilities. DD said she would not have send a copy of HW to her classmate if she knew or could even imagine there is a possibility that her classmate would just copy it. She just wanted the other kid to see how it can be done, learning the concept but not copying. There is absolutely no benefit for DD to help, but she tried to help.

I may be at fault as well if there is such a rule and I have never heard of it. Within the scope of cheating where A and B both intend for one of them to cheat, I can understand. But I am still struggling with the idea that B can be deemed cheating if A secretly copied B. So is there a presumption that if B let A to see the homework, B is deemed to know that A would cheat?

I want to know what is the path forward if that is the case, should I tell my kids to never let another kid see their HW before it is due? This is different from when I was growing up when helping each other to understand the HW and may be work together was a good thing.

If I need to adjust, I think I will. Thanks for feed back.

[Anonymous]

OP here again. No, I am not a troll.

[Anonymous]

No such rule. When old enough kids should understand the concept of plagiarism.

[Anonymous]

What grade is your dd in? That sounds rough, but lesson learned I suppose. Perhaps you could push back for different discipline, like detention, rather than a ruined grade, especially if she's in a grade where this would impact college applications.

[Anonymous]

DD is in grade 11. She is taking the new SAT today. Trying to get ready for college app, and this happened.