ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

For 2026/27 season:

* U14 SY = August 1st 2012 to July 31st 2013

* U14 BY = January 1st 2013 to December 31st 2013

So U14 SY will be older: min 5 months and max 17 months

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:its worth highlighting that if a SY team plays against a BY team one or the other will be playing against a team that is 6 months older. (not 1 year older)

if a BY team plays against a BY team thats a level/year/grade up they will be playing against a team that is 1 year older.

People are mixing the two situations or dont understand how/why they're different.

This is why MLS might not care about letting MLS2 switch to SY.

If MLS implements a policy that MLS2 teams that are SY always plays up against MLS Homegrown teams that 6 months older (instead of the other way around) MLS BY teams will always be 6 months older than their competition. Which will reinforce that Homegrown BY teams are always better. It would also reinforce that MLS2 SY players that move up to MLS BY homegrown teams are playing up.

All the ECNL parents on this thread that think they somehow have MLS cornered are incorrect.

Mls1 (homegrown) and mls2 (academy) don’t play each other. You should learn the structure of MLSN before criticizing others.

A u13 (just for example, any age group though) SY team will be aug 2013-July 2014. BY will be Jan 2014-Dec 2014. SY teams will be older than BY teams.

It doesnt matter what the structure is like today. If MLS does 2 different grouping types BY and SY this will be the divide.

That was the plan as of October, MLSN 1 BY and mlsn 2 SY. That blew up. A big part of mlsn2 are second teams for mlsn1 clubs. It’s not feasible to have different cutoffs for the same age groups… this is what caused mlsn to reevaluate everything and put us where we are now.

That's exactly what our club (Illinois) is reporting us, agree 100% with your message.

The plan at late September was MLSN1 BY and MLSN2 SY.

However there are so many P2P clubs with teams at both divisions that cannot self organize with that age chaos.

That's the reason because MLSN is reevaluating now the whole scenario.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

[Anonymous]

Agree with people who understand what a massive change this is for a kid whos never played with younger kids and will now only see younger kids. The August - December kids are in for a huge change.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

What confirms my thesis that MLS Next staff are morons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

Yes, if there were 2 different groupings (BY and SY) biobanding rules would be to be brought in by 6 months to maintain the current definition/expectation.

Not that big of a deal.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

What confirms my thesis that MLS Next staff are morons.

Well, not only MLS Next guys, the whole US Soccer is in hands of complete morons. Starting with the league and sanctioning bodies letter soup, and now this age muli system disaster ...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

Yes, if there were 2 different groupings (BY and SY) biobanding rules would be to be brought in by 6 months to maintain the current definition/expectation.

Not that big of a deal.

BY+SY+Biobanding within the same system is not a big deal? Are you serious???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

Oh god, I forgot about the biobanding issue. If MLSN1 (p2p only) switched to SY, would biobands only be allowed from the direct SY above?

For example, on an 8/1/12 - 7/31/13 team, could a bioband with a bday of 1/3/11 play down? Right now, an 11 could bioband down with 12s.

Not sure how I forgot about the biobands considering I see more and more of them every weekend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

Yes, if there were 2 different groupings (BY and SY) biobanding rules would be to be brought in by 6 months to maintain the current definition/expectation.

Not that big of a deal.

BY+SY+Biobanding within the same system is not a big deal? Are you serious???

Whenever people say stuff like the guy you are responding to, I can always immediately tell that they have never been involved in the actual running of a soccer club.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A BY team playing up against a SY team will be the same age group (u14 BY vs u14 SY). A SY team playing up against a BY team will be playing an age group up (u14 SY vs U15 BY).

But either way they'll by 6 months appart so it doesnt matter.

Actually, it's 5 months one way and 7 the other...

The minimum difference of age between SY and BY is 5 months, the maximum difference is 17 months (at U14, since August 1st 2012 to December 31st 2013)

Right, and if mixing age systems we have an potential interval of 7-19 months:

U14 BY vs U13 SY: the min 7 months (January 1st 2013 to August 1st 2013) and max 19 months (January 1st 2013 to July 31st 2014).

Now, let's add the BIOBANDING factor, and we've got a super mega complete chaos !!!

Oh god, I forgot about the biobanding issue. If MLSN1 (p2p only) switched to SY, would biobands only be allowed from the direct SY above?

For example, on an 8/1/12 - 7/31/13 team, could a bioband with a bday of 1/3/11 play down? Right now, an 11 could bioband down with 12s.

Not sure how I forgot about the biobands considering I see more and more of them every weekend.

The biobanding player can be up to 24 months older than the youngest player in the younger player group. We have a biobanding player who is 20 months older than my son.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that MLS Next's main strategy is business growth (hence the creation of MLS Next2), and not so much the professional pathway.

Therefore, they cannot disregard the perspective of P2P clubs, because they are their main source of revenue.

From a market share standpoint, their rivals are USCS (ECNL, NPL) and USYS, so MLS Next cannot ignore the shift towards youth soccer by the vast majority of soccer organizations in the USA (including girls and younger players up to U12).

This is all true but MLSN doesn’t seem to be evaluating it this way. They could very well stay BY until it falls apart and they say oh well (because it doesn’t seem like they care) and switch to SY.

So basically you are saying MLSN are morons?

Hey, maybe you are right ...

I think they care about soccer and I think they’ve had some innovative ideas to make clubs prioritize development. The benefit of those ideas when they are actually implemented is debatable, but at least they seem to care about development.

I think on some level they care about $$$, but it’s an afterthought. The decisions they make for money (mlsn2, national playoffs for u13/u14 after saying they weren’t going to have them…) are rolled out last minute. Seems to be a pattern.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems that MLS Next's main strategy is business growth (hence the creation of MLS Next2), and not so much the professional pathway.

Therefore, they cannot disregard the perspective of P2P clubs, because they are their main source of revenue.

From a market share standpoint, their rivals are USCS (ECNL, NPL) and USYS, so MLS Next cannot ignore the shift towards youth soccer by the vast majority of soccer organizations in the USA (including girls and younger players up to U12).

This is all true but MLSN doesn’t seem to be evaluating it this way. They could very well stay BY until it falls apart and they say oh well (because it doesn’t seem like they care) and switch to SY.

So basically you are saying MLSN are morons?

Hey, maybe you are right ...

I think they care about soccer and I think they’ve had some innovative ideas to make clubs prioritize development. The benefit of those ideas when they are actually implemented is debatable, but at least they seem to care about development.

I think on some level they care about $$$, but it’s an afterthought. The decisions they make for money (mlsn2, national playoffs for u13/u14 after saying they weren’t going to have them…) are rolled out last minute. Seems to be a pattern.

Yeah that pattern is that they can't plan their way out of wet paper bag. The lack of internal resources has been glaring at MLSN since inception but then I hear people talking about how they're going to expand into all of these different segments and take over GA and move into the women's side of things and it would hilarious if it weren't also scary. They don't seem to have the people to properly do what they were already doing, let alone do all of this other stuff.