We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership

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THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

[Anonymous]

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Not all are fully going back. Its misleading to say they are and reality is every positive covid there will be a shut down which will be more disruptive for those who need child care. Their schools don't have 3000 students in them for starters.

There are 206 schools in MCPS. One (1) of them has 3000 students. The other 205 have fewer than 3000 students.

Middle schools have 1000-1500 kids, most high schools have over 2000 kids. You don't see that as an issue? Even the W schools are overcrowded and parents complain about not enough seating and kids riding on the floor on buses.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

It is relevant to health and safety. However at best we could do 1-2 feet, not 6. So, how do you propose we do it between 4-6 feet in some of the smaller classrooms?

[Anonymous]

We don't know how far it travels and what is actually safe:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-why-6-feet-may-not-be-enough-social-distance

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don't know how far it travels and what is actually safe:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-why-6-feet-may-not-be-enough-social-distance

Many of the early assumptions about it were wrong. They once believed kids were immune. Now more and more kids are getting it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

It is relevant to health and safety. However at best we could do 1-2 feet, not 6. So, how do you propose we do it between 4-6 feet in some of the smaller classrooms?

It's a waste of time to even consider this nonsense. A vaccine will be out in January. They can begin phasing in vaccinated students in the following months.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don't know how far it travels and what is actually safe:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-why-6-feet-may-not-be-enough-social-distance

Many of the early assumptions about it were wrong. They once believed kids were immune. Now more and more kids are getting it.

And with every pediatric case identified, the mortality for children gets lower and lower.

And don't talk to me about "potential long term consequences"

We are permitting real actual negative consequences to our children's health over the fear of potential consequences in the future. It makes no sense whatsoever

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

It is relevant to health and safety. However at best we could do 1-2 feet, not 6. So, how do you propose we do it between 4-6 feet in some of the smaller classrooms?

It's a waste of time to even consider this nonsense. A vaccine will be out in January. They can begin phasing in vaccinated students in the following months.

The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

THEN. DON'T. GO.

Honestly why is this so hard to understand? The proposal by a previous poster had a full DL option.

But you do realize how wrong and selfish it is to say "my family does not want to return. thus, no families can return.'

Spoiler alert: you are not the queen of england, and you shall not be treated as such

I'm the PP with the proposal, and actually my point was that the full DL option is also fully imaginary at this point. It's up to the state and Hogan, and I haven't noticed them proposing anything of the sort. Have you? Hogan is happy to use every opportunity to take swipes at Elrich, but he's not doing the things that would actually help kids get back to school.

To do DL and in person we'd need twice as many teachers/staff as we have now.

That's not true at all. We'd need twice as many teachers/staff if in every school, half of the students did DL, half of the students went to school, and otherwise everything else remained the same. But we don't know how many students would do DL vs go back to school, and things do not have to remain the same. For example, in an elementary school with 4 kindergarten classes, what if 75% of students went to school and 25% did DL? Then you could have 3 classes of K in school, and 1 class of K in DL, with the 4 K teachers.

And, how would you deal with the capacity issue at school at 75%. Your numbers wouldn't work as kids need to be at least 6 feet away, preferably 10. Not including all the repairs needed to many of the buildings. Most classrooms don't have the space for social distancing.

Why 10? Who has ever discussed 10?

Its been discussed on several news sites. 6 feet is the minimum but it can travel further so best practice is 10.

But 10 has never been part of any policy-based decisioning. So it's irrelevant to capacity discussions.

It is relevant to health and safety. However at best we could do 1-2 feet, not 6. So, how do you propose we do it between 4-6 feet in some of the smaller classrooms?

It's a waste of time to even consider this nonsense. A vaccine will be out in January. They can begin phasing in vaccinated students in the following months.

The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

Pfizer just started enrolling kids 12 years and up for their trial.

[Anonymous]

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is there a list of schools and the last time they have been updated or renovated? I'd be curious to know which schools dont have adequate have and their proximity to other underutilized buildings that could act as a temporary replacement. At a.minimum, installing fans and air purifiers in these classrooms will help tremendously. Portable sinks aren't terribly expensive. There are solutions that dont require tearing down buildings, but unless MCPS has taken the step to list out which buildings are clear to return to and which ones need upgrades, there is really no way to address the problems. A real leader would have this information by now. They'd also know who wants f2f and who wants dl. I agree, hybrid shouldn't even be an option.

Yes, it's the MCPS CIP.

If there were simple solutions, they'd already have been done. There are no simple solutions.

My understanding is that every school in Montgomery County is required to have ventilation units that provide fresh outdoor air. Fans pull the return and outdoor air through an air filter. This is required by code so if you are aware of a school that is not maintaining their equipment, you need to report it.

[Anonymous]

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The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

If it's not effective for obese people, then the FDA shouldn't approve it as an effective vaccine. A vaccine that's not effective for the people who are actually in the population is not an effective vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We don't know how far it travels and what is actually safe:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-covid-19-why-6-feet-may-not-be-enough-social-distance

That's from APRIL.

[Anonymous]

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Not all are fully going back. Its misleading to say they are and reality is every positive covid there will be a shut down which will be more disruptive for those who need child care. Their schools don't have 3000 students in them for starters.

There are 206 schools in MCPS. One (1) of them has 3000 students. The other 205 have fewer than 3000 students.

Middle schools have 1000-1500 kids, most high schools have over 2000 kids. You don't see that as an issue? Even the W schools are overcrowded and parents complain about not enough seating and kids riding on the floor on buses.

No, I don't think that total enrollment in the schools is an issue, and I certainly don't see what's "even" about the schools in affluent Bethesda/Potomac being over capacity. Like what, obviously the hoi polloi will have over-capacity schools, nobody should expect anything else, but in MCPS, even the affluent people have over-capacity schools...or something?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The dirty little secret is that there is not a having in development for children. No students will be vaccinated. The one available in the first quarter of 2021 will be adults only.

The other secret is that it won't be effective for obese people. Which will be a problem here in the states

If it's not effective for obese people, then the FDA shouldn't approve it as an effective vaccine. A vaccine that's not effective for the people who are actually in the population is not an effective vaccine.

It's an absurd claim that the vaccine won't work on obese people. Unless the pp comes back with a credible source, you can safely ignore that comment. The main group I'd worry about are people with comprised immune systems.