Sidwell Paid a family $50K and agree to change grades??????????

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Who the f cares what you people think ? You don't even know what actually happened.
Get a life.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, you may think all you want about how frivolous the suit is but Sidwell didn’t behave properly towards the girl.

This whole thing is dumb. If you sue your school over grades, you are probably a crazy person. If you think you can appeal such a ridiculous case to the Supreme Court, you are probably a really crazy person. And you should expect the school to retaliate or at least not support your admission anywhere. If I was Sidwell, I would tell every school not to take someone like this. You can't burn bridges with people and then ask them to help you.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, you may think all you want about how frivolous the suit is but Sidwell didn’t behave properly towards the girl.

This whole thing is dumb. If you sue your school over grades, you are probably a crazy person. If you think you can appeal such a ridiculous case to the Supreme Court, you are probably a really crazy person. And you should expect the school to retaliate or at least not support your admission anywhere. If I was Sidwell, I would tell every school not to take someone like this. You can't burn bridges with people and then ask them to help you.

However, it is the family's right to take legal action. Following the due process does not make you crazy. Retaliation preceded the lawsuit.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, you may think all you want about how frivolous the suit is but Sidwell didn’t behave properly towards the girl.

This whole thing is dumb. If you sue your school over grades, you are probably a crazy person. If you think you can appeal such a ridiculous case to the Supreme Court, you are probably a really crazy person. And you should expect the school to retaliate or at least not support your admission anywhere. If I was Sidwell, I would tell every school not to take someone like this. You can't burn bridges with people and then ask them to help you.

However, it is the family's right to take legal action. Following the due process does not make you crazy. Retaliation preceded the lawsuit.

But appealing twice and to the Supreme Court is literally a losing battle. The ONLY reason to do this is to bring light to the case, which simultaneously shoots the daughter in the foot. That isn't courage, that is stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get into the colleges I wanted to go to and that everyone around me thought I would get in — many students have this experience.

Did I sue? No. I went to my safety school, studied hard, and later transferred to my top-choice school.

There are no guarantees. It is a subjective process and luck plays a big role.

You were not wronged in the process. That is the point of the case. Not knows what your academic profile looks like

How do you know it’s a perfect process? If you really want to accuse the school, you can always find out something improper. The majority of people are reasonable so they won’t do that. From any aspect the girl did not have a profile that guaranteed his admission. She didn’t have any impressive national level awards for academics (math, writing, debating, Intel, etc.) or ECs. I have heard enough stories about students winning national awards not getting into the Ivies they wanted to attend.

She appears to hold Sidwell’s school record for the 100 meter dash.
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/SchoolRecords.aspx?SchoolID=14932

She also ran track at Penn. I would call that an impressive EC.

athletic preferences at ivy league schools are such a scam. i love that brown university has the same number of varsity athletes as the university of michigan. to get on a team at michigan -- say, swimming, well, you are probably going to the olympics. brown? not so much.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/bribery-scandal-points-to-the-athletic-factor-a-major-force-in-college-admissions/2019/06/12/b2fc39dc-7e3a-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html?utm_term=.47fe1be14688

Not the point. She was DC state champ who continues to hold a sidwell school record five years after she left, not a kid who pretended to be on a crew team on instagram. She was qualified candidate with much to offer.

She may have had an impressive track record, but it doesn't mean she was at the level where they were interested in recruiting her. Just being very good at a sport doesn't do you any good if you don't reach recruitment level. It seems to me she was right at the cusp of that level.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks sounding so indignant about how the family reacted would probably work the system if their kid were shut out.

Most parents would have accepted school advice not to have their kid apply to all Ivys and reach schools like Duke. Stupid and entitled doesn’t make it the school’s fault. And it sure as hell doesn’t amount to a federal civil rights case!

+1 Seems like the parents were idiots to sign off on a slate of highly selective schools and then were shocked when their kid didn't get in.

Yeah, they were such idiots that they applied to Penn again and she got in.

But of course, you’re saying that it was silly of them to think their state champion, school record holder daughter who had one of the 14 highest PSAT scores of all African American students in DC was IVY material. The nerve....

It was not unreasonable that they thought their daughter could get accepted to an ivy. It was unreasonable that they were so certain that it would happen that they only included one safety (Spelman). And they were LATE in applying to Spelman so the school probably rejected her for yield protection, since it was rather obvious that she really wasn't interested in attending.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t get into the colleges I wanted to go to and that everyone around me thought I would get in — many students have this experience.

Did I sue? No. I went to my safety school, studied hard, and later transferred to my top-choice school.

There are no guarantees. It is a subjective process and luck plays a big role.

You were not wronged in the process. That is the point of the case. Not knows what your academic profile looks like

How do you know it’s a perfect process? If you really want to accuse the school, you can always find out something improper. The majority of people are reasonable so they won’t do that. From any aspect the girl did not have a profile that guaranteed his admission. She didn’t have any impressive national level awards for academics (math, writing, debating, Intel, etc.) or ECs. I have heard enough stories about students winning national awards not getting into the Ivies they wanted to attend.

She appears to hold Sidwell’s school record for the 100 meter dash.
https://www.athletic.net/TrackAndField/SchoolRecords.aspx?SchoolID=14932

She also ran track at Penn. I would call that an impressive EC.

athletic preferences at ivy league schools are such a scam. i love that brown university has the same number of varsity athletes as the university of michigan. to get on a team at michigan -- say, swimming, well, you are probably going to the olympics. brown? not so much.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/bribery-scandal-points-to-the-athletic-factor-a-major-force-in-college-admissions/2019/06/12/b2fc39dc-7e3a-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html?utm_term=.47fe1be14688

Not the point. She was DC state champ who continues to hold a sidwell school record five years after she left, not a kid who pretended to be on a crew team on instagram. She was qualified candidate with much to offer.

She may have had an impressive track record, but it doesn't mean she was at the level where they were interested in recruiting her. Just being very good at a sport doesn't do you any good if you don't reach recruitment level. It seems to me she was right at the cusp of that level.

Not sure that the schools she applied to care about track.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, you may think all you want about how frivolous the suit is but Sidwell didn’t behave properly towards the girl.

This whole thing is dumb. If you sue your school over grades, you are probably a crazy person. If you think you can appeal such a ridiculous case to the Supreme Court, you are probably a really crazy person. And you should expect the school to retaliate or at least not support your admission anywhere. If I was Sidwell, I would tell every school not to take someone like this. You can't burn bridges with people and then ask them to help you.

However, it is the family's right to take legal action. Following the due process does not make you crazy. Retaliation preceded the lawsuit.

Just because you have a right to do something doesn't mean you should do it. It is waste of legal resources.
They are clearly out of their minds.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks sounding so indignant about how the family reacted would probably work the system if their kid were shut out.

Most parents would have accepted school advice not to have their kid apply to all Ivys and reach schools like Duke. Stupid and entitled doesn’t make it the school’s fault. And it sure as hell doesn’t amount to a federal civil rights case!

+1 Seems like the parents were idiots to sign off on a slate of highly selective schools and then were shocked when their kid didn't get in.

She applied on her own after a year and got in. Ooops! She clearly is Ivy material. She is now an Ivy graduate.

Ivy admissions are a total crapshoot. It's entirely possible that a candidate who got rejected, could have been accepted if the exact same person who looked at their file, had looked at it a day earlier or later.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I am thinking. The issue is they tried to hurt her and not help. One thing if you don’t get in when field is level and quite another if you find an institution is working against you.

They have to be honest to the colleges. If she and her family were a PIA, then how can they say she is a "top" candidate to the schools where they need to keep credibility?

This is all relative. What if you found out a school was misrepresenting your child's grades. You would be upset. The parents by the way should play zero role in your college recommendation. It should be all about the kid. I have heard zero about this child being a bad kid. I think the parents are doing a great service by letting people know that schools may inhibit your child getting into schools. Schools should be fair for all their kids.

I think the parents have done a major disservice for their daughter, who is now effectively unemployable. No way I hire this person if I do a google search and see this lawsuit. Especially after she has lost twice, to take it to the Supreme Court is brutal. What if I need to fire her, or RIF her for any reason? To fear an unjustified lawsuit from a job applicant? No way.

Depends on perspective, doesn’t it? There are employers who may applaud her courage. Some AA families feel they’ve been treated similarly and are happy someone is finally taking this on. She competed in track at Penn and was a leader in the society for black engineers. She’s marketable and has demonstrated leadership. She also may end up being an entrepreneur.

Even if Sidwell did have a vendetta against this girl or her family, there is absolutely no reason to think it's because she is black. Newsflash, white people also often feel that they are treated unfairly. I'm sure there are many white families at Sidwell and other schools who do not receive as much "advocating" in college admissions as they would have hoped for. Many of them don't get into schools, receive jobs, etc, as what they or there families feel they are qualified for. Not every time something doesn't go a black person's way has to do with discrimination.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I am thinking. The issue is they tried to hurt her and not help. One thing if you don’t get in when field is level and quite another if you find an institution is working against you.

They have to be honest to the colleges. If she and her family were a PIA, then how can they say she is a "top" candidate to the schools where they need to keep credibility?

This is all relative. What if you found out a school was misrepresenting your child's grades. You would be upset. The parents by the way should play zero role in your college recommendation. It should be all about the kid. I have heard zero about this child being a bad kid. I think the parents are doing a great service by letting people know that schools may inhibit your child getting into schools. Schools should be fair for all their kids.

I think the parents have done a major disservice for their daughter, who is now effectively unemployable. No way I hire this person if I do a google search and see this lawsuit. Especially after she has lost twice, to take it to the Supreme Court is brutal. What if I need to fire her, or RIF her for any reason? To fear an unjustified lawsuit from a job applicant? No way.

Depends on perspective, doesn’t it? There are employers who may applaud her courage. Some AA families feel they’ve been treated similarly and are happy someone is finally taking this on. She competed in track at Penn and was a leader in the society for black engineers. She’s marketable and has demonstrated leadership. She also may end up being an entrepreneur.

Even if Sidwell did have a vendetta against this girl or her family, there is absolutely no reason to think it's because she is black. Newsflash, white people also often feel that they are treated unfairly. I'm sure there are many white families at Sidwell and other schools who do not receive as much "advocating" in college admissions as they would have hoped for. Many of them don't get into schools, receive jobs, etc, as what they or there families feel they are qualified for. Not every time something doesn't go a black person's way has to do with discrimination.

Exactly. Sidwell recently parted ways with a college counselor who was basically incompetent. But no one seems to have brought a Supreme Court case because he was their kid’s advisor.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, you may think all you want about how frivolous the suit is but Sidwell didn’t behave properly towards the girl.

This whole thing is dumb. If you sue your school over grades, you are probably a crazy person. If you think you can appeal such a ridiculous case to the Supreme Court, you are probably a really crazy person. And you should expect the school to retaliate or at least not support your admission anywhere. If I was Sidwell, I would tell every school not to take someone like this. You can't burn bridges with people and then ask them to help you.

However, it is the family's right to take legal action. Following the due process does not make you crazy. Retaliation preceded the lawsuit.

If you buy the notion that Sidwell engaged in retaliation, then please send your bank account information. There’s a fortune that someone is trying to transfer out of Nigeria, and you will get a generous share for your assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:I still find it hard to believe she was rejected at every school including the HBCU. Something isn't right. Sounds like Sidwell gave terrible recommendations. Glad she is at UPenn now. Also she was a track star at Sidwell and surprised she did not get in anywhere. The whole thing is so fishy.

Sidwell is a very small school. Being a track star at Sidwell doesn't mean much.

She was DC State Champion in the 100 meter run. This covers all DC public and private schools. That actually does mean much.

About 1% of students in DC do track and field as a sport. From a national athletic standpoint, it means close to nothing.

She is an All-American. She was ranked on a national level.

But she wasn’t recruited by any university, so how good was she really?

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Anonymous wrote:I still find it hard to believe she was rejected at every school including the HBCU. Something isn't right. Sounds like Sidwell gave terrible recommendations. Glad she is at UPenn now. Also she was a track star at Sidwell and surprised she did not get in anywhere. The whole thing is so fishy.

Sidwell is a very small school. Being a track star at Sidwell doesn't mean much.

She was DC State Champion in the 100 meter run. This covers all DC public and private schools. That actually does mean much.

If the college coaches agreed, they would have recruited her.

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Anonymous wrote:I know this has probably passed but reading the legal paperwork, i have to say 93.11% is NEVER an A- its a flat A.

I don't think its cut and dry. I think that egregious mistakes were probably made on both sides, as reflected by the ruling.

Every school has its own grading policy and scale. NCS doesn’t give minuses, for example.