2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe they haven't found the child yet. Are they using drones to look? Or just on foot/boat searches?

Uh, I doubt they will find him.

If there are remains, they will find them because they will have animal control dig up gator nests, or they will find contents in a killed gator's stomach. It's horrible.

Yeah, they have already investigated the stomach contents of the four gators whom they have already killed. That's why they know they have not found the right one yet.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one must have been that worried about that lake. Disney even offers water activities including tubing for children:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/bay-lake-tower-at-contemporary/recreation/

This is all the same beach/lake that the surrounding hotels are on.

Holy crap, that's nuts. No excuse for Disney now. Here's the beach where the attack took place.

What's your point? Swimming is safer than wading, especially at dusk or at night -- alligators think you're a fish when you're wading, they're not going to think a jetski is a fish.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

Go away, Disney lawyer. You have lost the argument. Bye.

Try again, person with fraction of a brain. I don't even like Disney - it has zero appeal to me.

Common sense, people. Thinking is fundamental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. A "no swimming" sign is not sufficient to cover the risks associated with alligator attacks. That child could have been killed simply walking near the edge of the water.

2. It's not reasonable to expect resort guests coming from Europe, Canada, or yes even Nebraska to know how prevelant alligators are, especially on Disney property where a beach has been set up.

3. Disney was grossly negligent and WILL pay up the a$$ including to this who just witnessed the attack. That's guaranteed.

I disagree. And, I would also say that anyone who doesn't know that Florida has alligators is an imbecile. It's practically the first thing you think of!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. A "no swimming" sign is not sufficient to cover the risks associated with alligator attacks. That child could have been killed simply walking near the edge of the water.

2. It's not reasonable to expect resort guests coming from Europe, Canada, or yes even Nebraska to know how prevelant alligators are, especially on Disney property where a beach has been set up.

3. Disney was grossly negligent and WILL pay up the a$$ including to this who just witnessed the attack. That's guaranteed.

I disagree. And, I would also say that anyone who doesn't know that Florida has alligators is an imbecile. It's practically the first thing you think of!

Jeff, can someone PLEASE get this troll off the board???

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There are signs in the Lake that says "no swimming"

Yup. And they're spaced pretty closely apart - like 20 feet? You can see 2 signs in this picture.

How hard would it have been to add "Alligators" to that list. Or say "stay out of water" instead of "no swimming." I've been to that beach and kids are regularly wading and splashing in the water with resort staff around and never seen any of them intervene to stop it. It is quite reasonable to assume based on that sign that "swimming" = swimming. Not wading.

I don't know, because parents are supposed to be watching their kids? And the steep drop off is warning against wading, because both done by walking in.

I don't understand how some people can't draw simple conclusions by themselves.

That area doesn't even look like a place you can wade. You don't know the child waded in that spot. You don't know the terrain where he was splashing.

Actually, the area where the child was wading (pics of tents here http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/06/15/13/354D82C300000578-3642167-The_child_had_been_paddling_with_his_parents_and_four_year_old_s-a-14_1465992068960.jpg) looks even more inhospitable than these nearby signs.

The parents made a grave mistake - very sad, and still pretty relateable. But the parents made a grave mistake. I feel for them - we all make mistakes, but clearly the parents let their guard down too much.

You must be a troll b/c your conclusions make no sense. Or maybe you do not understand how fast, and cunning gators actually are. Do you know the same thing could have happened with the family 20 yards away from the water?
If the family is not aware that there are dangerous animals in the area, then how could you hold them responsible. Your conclusion only works if the child died from drowning in deep water. Not what happened.

Alligators are faster in water. While I wouldn't want to experience this first hand, it's harder for them to get you into the water from 20 yards away. If you're near the edge and they get you, your chances of survival are slim to none.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

Go away, Disney lawyer. You have lost the argument. Bye.

Try again, person with fraction of a brain. I don't even like Disney - it has zero appeal to me.

Common sense, people. Thinking is fundamental.

No shit, Sherlock. Any other topics you want to fingerwag about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1. A "no swimming" sign is not sufficient to cover the risks associated with alligator attacks. That child could have been killed simply walking near the edge of the water.

2. It's not reasonable to expect resort guests coming from Europe, Canada, or yes even Nebraska to know how prevelant alligators are, especially on Disney property where a beach has been set up.

3. Disney was grossly negligent and WILL pay up the a$$ including to this who just witnessed the attack. That's guaranteed.

I disagree. And, I would also say that anyone who doesn't know that Florida has alligators is an imbecile. It's practically the first thing you think of!

+1

It's basically the mascot. I'm not from FL, I went there only once as a young child. And even I know this. I don't know how people don't know alligators aren't everywhere in Fl.

[Anonymous]

This is absolutely horrible but come on people. It's Florida and there is only so much humans can do to keep nature at bay. This is freak accident, never happened before. Disney could have prevented this as much as someone could have prevented a shark attack. Sometimes nature shows us who's really in control.

A tragedy absolutely but I don't understand looking to blame someone here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

There is a huge difference between a "keep out" sign and a "no swimming, deep water" sign. Again, you must be a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is absolutely horrible but come on people. It's Florida and there is only so much humans can do to keep nature at bay. This is freak accident, never happened before. Disney could have prevented this as much as someone could have prevented a shark attack. Sometimes nature shows us who's really in control.

A tragedy absolutely but I don't understand looking to blame someone here.

Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Disney knew there was a chance of gators being there and knew that, if they put a sign up warning of that, people would not want to stay there. I wouldn't.

That's asinine.

Really? See the 12:17 post about marketing vs legal. That is what I am talking about.

"No swimming, steep drop off" does not say to me, "An alligator may come up and snatch your child if he is dipping his toes in the water 12" away from the sand."

To me (and I think most people with half a working brain) the signs mean "stay out of the water due to various risks."

Those risk could be a number of things:
- drowning
- gators or other wildlife
- bacteria, brain eating amoeba, chemicals, etc
- sharp rocks
- etc
- or all of the above

Most people don't need it to be itemized. They see a sign like that, and they know to stay out of the water. It doesn't look like play-able water to begin with, but the signs reinforce that. It's basic common sense.

There is a huge difference between a "keep out" sign and a "no swimming, deep water" sign. Again, you must be a troll.

How dare someone suggest that one use common sense instead of needing everything itemized and literalized - they must be a troll!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I always thought those lagoon beaches were gross. Why would you set up a beach for kids to run around on next to an alligator infested lagoon. The Disney "illusion" is that all is safe. There are no warnings about alligators.

Lots of things have the illusion of being safe. You still need to use your head. I can't believe people want a warning about alligators in FLORIDA.

If Yellowstone and Yosemite can go to great extent to warn people about wild animals in a wilderness park where one of the main attractions is to see animals in the wild then, yes, a company attracting visitors from all over the world to Florida should know they should provide warnings about alligators!

Not really comparable.

Also, Yellowstone only added more explicit signs about geyser and thermal pool danger (with illustrations and specifics) after the death of a child in 1970. Their warnings have changed and increased over the years in response to deaths and injuries.

Even still, they had a guy fall into the hot/acidic pool a couple of weeks ago trying to get a photo or sunglasses or something.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one must have been that worried about that lake. Disney even offers water activities including tubing for children:

https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/resorts/bay-lake-tower-at-contemporary/recreation/

This is all the same beach/lake that the surrounding hotels are on.

Oh dear.

Though in other vacation spots, the Outer Banks, for example, there is parasailing and tubing and there are sharks in the water, so I guess it is the same risk?

However, i think the common person knows there are sharks in the ocean. Not sure common people know there are crocs at Disney (I never gave it any thought).

This is the problem. Disney is not some self-contained island. Disney is in Florida. Florida has gators. Hence, Disney has gators.