Official Ebola update thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

It's off topic since he didn't have ebola?

When it shuts down a plane and costs 25K in cleanup and testing....Throwing up on a plane is about Ebola.

everything has changed.

+1

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here -- is anyone else concerned more about the impact on our healthcare system than actually getting ebola on a personal level?

I'm not actually scared that I personally will get ebola, but if we have enough cases in the US that then leads to healthcare workers being quarantined (not to mention many underpaid overworked nurses may just quit all together), we could end up with a shortage of medical professionals to treat other hospital patients. To me, this seems like the bigger issue.

Also, I'm sick of people comparing ebola to the flu. Most healthy people can combat it on their own and we have a vaccine to prevent it. There is no ebola vaccine and a healthy person can't control whether they come in contact with someone who has ebola on a plane, elevator, etc.

Yes! This is exactly the point! Add to that, who can we trust after being lied to by CDC?

Those who claim it is about personal hysteria can't think outside themselves. The impact is SO much larger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here -- is anyone else concerned more about the impact on our healthcare system than actually getting ebola on a personal level?

I think most people are concerned with this. The economy, the healthcare system, everything will be heavily impacted one way or the other. But saying this is immediately branded as hysterical. Oops.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

Are you going to react this way to every African that vomits from now on? Nigeria has had practically no ebola. This is part and parcel of your and others' attempt to generate mass hysteria of the "everything has changed" style illustrated in a post above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama lied to you. He knew the risk was not extremely low:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-found-nearly-25-percent-chance-ebola-184611722.html

Oh, please.

The study found there was a twenty-five percent chance that we would see a case here. Despite this, the president said our overall Ebola vulnerability remains very low, which is true. Importing a single case does not equal a U.S. epidemic, as evidenced by the fact that we have seen only two additional cases since Duncan and none outside the hospital setting. The president was right. We will contain it, just as Nigeria did.

NP. You're saying the vulnerability is acceptable, but I'm saying that it could--and should--be less. It could be less by refusing entry from the region, to prevent a second outbreak cluster, while fighting it at the source at the same time. I agree that we are controlling this disease, likely monitoring it very closely, but we aren't preventing it very well are we? I did not like watching the ambulance take Pham to NIH.... I used to commute just that route for a couple of years. I certainly wish it Ebola had been contained prior to arriving inside the beltway.

My concern is that we won't end up closing the borders until after Ebola takes a toehold in someplace like India and a couple other underprepared nations. It is a shame. USA will likely do fine except for a few vulnerabilities, statistical matters you might say.

Please indicate where I said it was "acceptable" for some to be infected.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:
Yes! This is exactly the point! Add to that, who can we trust after being lied to by CDC?

When did the CDC lie? I know that you earlier posted saying that you believed Duncan's fiancé had ebola and the government was covering it up. Is that the "lie" you are describing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama lied to you. He knew the risk was not extremely low:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-administration-found-nearly-25-percent-chance-ebola-184611722.html

Oh, please.

The study found there was a twenty-five percent chance that we would see a case here. Despite this, the president said our overall Ebola vulnerability remains very low, which is true. Importing a single case does not equal a U.S. epidemic, as evidenced by the fact that we have seen only two additional cases since Duncan and none outside the hospital setting. The president was right. We will contain it, just as Nigeria did.

25% is not very low. why not say 'the study showed a 25% chance of it arriving on outpr shores by end of Sept". That's the truth, is. It not? How do you think people would have reacted to such news?

The President's CDC appt has lied multiple times, and has been caught in them.

I'm glad you have such faith. You are in the minority

You are being deliberately obtuse. The chances of a single case are not that low but the chances of a US epidemic are extremely low. The latter is what the president was speaking to. Why is this so difficult for you to understand?

I do understand it. I also understand that instead of simply releasing the findings of the study to the American public, and acting to reduce the immediate risk of a patient 0, he his it and chose to take the path he did. Ask yourself why.

So you agree then that Obama did not "lie". Glad to hear we're on the same page.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My opinion of DCUM posters has never been so low.

Why?

New poster--this thread is appalling to me. Posters seem to be actively rooting for an Ebola outbreak in this country because it would make President Obama look bad. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Very much like Bush and Kartrina

Only this is much more serious and incompetent .

Nearly 2,000 deaths versus 1. How is this "much more serious"?

The biggest challenge the Obama administration faces is the unnecessary hysteria being generated.

Katrina doesn't continue to spread. Jesus, Jeff, do you get paid off?

I don't think you can say Ebola continues to spread here. Two health care workers contracted it because of poor precautions at that one facility. NONE of the medical workers at other facilities caring for Ebola patients have contracted it. NO ONE has contracted it through casual contact, including Duncan's family. Its not an epidemic in the US. I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of an outbreak.

There are tea party posters here who are just being irrational. Katrina was out of the ballpark more serious -- many deaths, people waiting days to be rescued. What you can say here is that one hospital screwed up badly and you could say, maybe, that the CDC should have been more proactive in general and perhaps the hospital would have been better prepared (or maybe not. I'm not familiar with this hospital but its possible that it just provides substandard care in general).

It just seems to me that some people are enjoying stoking up irrational fears. Maybe they're bored. And the tea partiers have yet to learn that the reason their base is shrinking is because the way they blame Obama for everything in a really convoluted, twisted way turns people off. Its not a political argument, its a constant rant that we've all learned to just not listen to. Who are you going to convince with these ridiculous comparisons to Katrina? No one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My opinion of DCUM posters has never been so low.

Why?

New poster--this thread is appalling to me. Posters seem to be actively rooting for an Ebola outbreak in this country because it would make President Obama look bad. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Very much like Bush and Kartrina

Only this is much more serious and incompetent .

Nearly 2,000 deaths versus 1. How is this "much more serious"?

The biggest challenge the Obama administration faces is the unnecessary hysteria being generated.

Katrina doesn't continue to spread. Jesus, Jeff, do you get paid off?

I don't think you can say Ebola continues to spread here. Two health care workers contracted it because of poor precautions at that one facility. NONE of the medical workers at other facilities caring for Ebola patients have contracted it. NO ONE has contracted it through casual contact, including Duncan's family. Its not an epidemic in the US. I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of an outbreak.

There are tea party posters here who are just being irrational. Katrina was out of the ballpark more serious -- many deaths, people waiting days to be rescued. What you can say here is that one hospital screwed up badly and you could say, maybe, that the CDC should have been more proactive in general and perhaps the hospital would have been better prepared (or maybe not. I'm not familiar with this hospital but its possible that it just provides substandard care in general).

It just seems to me that some people are enjoying stoking up irrational fears. Maybe they're bored. And the tea partiers have yet to learn that the reason their base is shrinking is because the way they blame Obama for everything in a really convoluted, twisted way turns people off. Its not a political argument, its a constant rant that we've all learned to just not listen to. Who are you going to convince with these ridiculous comparisons to Katrina? No one.

I am not so sure the people to whom you are referring are “tea partiers.” I think there are a lot of different people - even some Dems - who are very, very concerned.
People are naturally scared. It is a pretty serious virus. And, considering that a majority of people favor a travel ban, they are believing that the administration is not listening to the voters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My opinion of DCUM posters has never been so low.

Why?

New poster--this thread is appalling to me. Posters seem to be actively rooting for an Ebola outbreak in this country because it would make President Obama look bad. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Very much like Bush and Kartrina

Only this is much more serious and incompetent .

Nearly 2,000 deaths versus 1. How is this "much more serious"?

The biggest challenge the Obama administration faces is the unnecessary hysteria being generated.

Katrina doesn't continue to spread. Jesus, Jeff, do you get paid off?

I don't think you can say Ebola continues to spread here. Two health care workers contracted it because of poor precautions at that one facility. NONE of the medical workers at other facilities caring for Ebola patients have contracted it. NO ONE has contracted it through casual contact, including Duncan's family. Its not an epidemic in the US. I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of an outbreak.

There are tea party posters here who are just being irrational. Katrina was out of the ballpark more serious -- many deaths, people waiting days to be rescued. What you can say here is that one hospital screwed up badly and you could say, maybe, that the CDC should have been more proactive in general and perhaps the hospital would have been better prepared (or maybe not. I'm not familiar with this hospital but its possible that it just provides substandard care in general).

It just seems to me that some people are enjoying stoking up irrational fears. Maybe they're bored. And the tea partiers have yet to learn that the reason their base is shrinking is because the way they blame Obama for everything in a really convoluted, twisted way turns people off. Its not a political argument, its a constant rant that we've all learned to just not listen to. Who are you going to convince with these ridiculous comparisons to Katrina? No one.

I am not so sure the people to whom you are referring are “tea partiers.” I think there are a lot of different people - even some Dems - who are very, very concerned.
People are naturally scared. It is a pretty serious virus. And, considering that a majority of people favor a travel ban, they are believing that the administration is not listening to the voters.

I would prefer that they listen to the actual experts -- who say that a travel ban would cause MORE people to come into the country evading detection because they would lie and avoid medical help -- than listen to the mob.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

Are you going to react this way to every African that vomits from now on? Nigeria has had practically no ebola. This is part and parcel of your and others' attempt to generate mass hysteria of the "everything has changed" style illustrated in a post above.

It's here now. Being prepared means staying alert. There is now a lecel 4 virus in this country that the CDC is being lax about. Everything has changed, my friend.

Being alert and aware is always prudent. In bars, in your home, walking outside. Read The Gift Of Fear. It highlights the balance quite well

Had i not been alert and aware, I would have not noticed the man following me in my car. I would have not noticed him hide his car behind a gas station row of pumps when I deliberately stopped at a populated convenience store. Worse yet, I could have dismissed my rational mind as hysterical, and allowed him to follow me home. Police tell me that without my rational, quick thinking, I would be a statistic today. So yes, I trust myself

Liberals like yourself adopt a laisse faire attitude about everything, making you dangerous to others. Then you gaslight by saying they are hysterical. I can't imagine being so naive - or so cruel

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My opinion of DCUM posters has never been so low.

Why?

New poster--this thread is appalling to me. Posters seem to be actively rooting for an Ebola outbreak in this country because it would make President Obama look bad. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Very much like Bush and Kartrina

Only this is much more serious and incompetent .

Nearly 2,000 deaths versus 1. How is this "much more serious"?

The biggest challenge the Obama administration faces is the unnecessary hysteria being generated.

Katrina doesn't continue to spread. Jesus, Jeff, do you get paid off?

I don't think you can say Ebola continues to spread here. Two health care workers contracted it because of poor precautions at that one facility. NONE of the medical workers at other facilities caring for Ebola patients have contracted it. NO ONE has contracted it through casual contact, including Duncan's family. Its not an epidemic in the US. I'm not sure it even meets the technical definition of an outbreak.

There are tea party posters here who are just being irrational. Katrina was out of the ballpark more serious -- many deaths, people waiting days to be rescued. What you can say here is that one hospital screwed up badly and you could say, maybe, that the CDC should have been more proactive in general and perhaps the hospital would have been better prepared (or maybe not. I'm not familiar with this hospital but its possible that it just provides substandard care in general).

It just seems to me that some people are enjoying stoking up irrational fears. Maybe they're bored. And the tea partiers have yet to learn that the reason their base is shrinking is because the way they blame Obama for everything in a really convoluted, twisted way turns people off. Its not a political argument, its a constant rant that we've all learned to just not listen to. Who are you going to convince with these ridiculous comparisons to Katrina? No one.

I am not so sure the people to whom you are referring are “tea partiers.” I think there are a lot of different people - even some Dems - who are very, very concerned.
People are naturally scared. It is a pretty serious virus. And, considering that a majority of people favor a travel ban, they are believing that the administration is not listening to the voters.

I would prefer that they listen to the actual experts -- who say that a travel ban would cause MORE people to come into the country evading detection because they would lie and avoid medical help -- than listen to the mob.

By experts, you mean politicians? Virologists are saying otherwise

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, why are you deleting posts about the Nigerean man who died on route to JFK after vomiting profusely in his seat?

Please post messages like this in website feedback so that this thread does not get derailed (as it would have been by posting a message about a guy who didn't have ebola).

Determined by a cursory walk-on by CDC, not testing

Are you going to react this way to every African that vomits from now on? Nigeria has had practically no ebola. This is part and parcel of your and others' attempt to generate mass hysteria of the "everything has changed" style illustrated in a post above.

It's here now. Being prepared means staying alert. There is now a lecel 4 virus in this country that the CDC is being lax about. Everything has changed, my friend.

Being alert and aware is always prudent. In bars, in your home, walking outside. Read The Gift Of Fear. It highlights the balance quite well

Had i not been alert and aware, I would have not noticed the man following me in my car. I would have not noticed him hide his car behind a gas station row of pumps when I deliberately stopped at a populated convenience store. Worse yet, I could have dismissed my rational mind as hysterical, and allowed him to follow me home. Police tell me that without my rational, quick thinking, I would be a statistic today. So yes, I trust myself

Liberals like yourself adopt a laisse faire attitude about everything, making you dangerous to others. Then you gaslight by saying they are hysterical. I can't imagine being so naive - or so cruel

A man followed you to your car so you now need to post multiple posts about any African that vomits? Does that seem sane to you?

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Yes! This is exactly the point! Add to that, who can we trust after being lied to by CDC?

When did the CDC lie? I know that you earlier posted saying that you believed Duncan's fiancé had ebola and the government was covering it up. Is that the "lie" you are describing?

They lied when they threw both nurses under the bus. They knew she traveled and they knew she called in. Please!