Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

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And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.
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And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


and make sure there is a male teacher, since probably some would object to a woman working.
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Anonymous wrote:Parents should not be given authority over educational professionals. Parents should not be allowed to opt their kids out sex Ed or reading assignments.

-teacher and religious person


Truly disgusting people like you should never be hired as teachers.


What's disgusting about what I wrote? What a ridiculous overreaction.

This movement is all about disrespecting teachers, over and over again. I am religious, and not an LGBTQ family, and I understand the importance of diverse perspectives and voices. I understand how great it felt for me and my children to see themselves represented in the stories they read in school. What exactly is disgusting to you about this?

It's important to teach literacy skills through reading good writing. That writing should reflect lots of different stories.
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Anonymous wrote:my kid in MCPS had a whole section on the caliphate Mohammad. Complete with pictures!


Yeah, so what? They teach about the history of most (maybe all?) major religions. Or do you think schools should be censoring history by pretending Christianity is the only religion ever to exist?
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Anonymous wrote:my kid in MCPS had a whole section on the caliphate Mohammad. Complete with pictures!


Yeah, so what? They teach about the history of most (maybe all?) major religions. Or do you think schools should be censoring history by pretending Christianity is the only religion ever to exist?


Oh god, I was being snarky but this really is the next step for you people, isn't it? Start by trying to push any representation of LGBTQ people out of schools, and then follow up by trying to erase anyone who isn't Christian, because your kids learning that Islam and Buddhism and Hinduism exist impinges on your religious freedom to raise your kids Christian? Screw you and your crappy Supreme Court trying to turn our public schools into religious schools. If you want a censored sheltered life for your kids, homeschool them or send them to religious schools.
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I thought this was a really good column on this case: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/opinion/lgbtq-books-supreme-court.html

The district also argued in court that the books told “archetypal stories that touch on the same themes introduced to children in such classic books as ‘Snow White,’ ‘Cinderella’ and ‘Peter Pan.’” The characters happened to be L.G.B.T.Q., the argument went, but their sexuality and gender identity were not the point of the book. School board members have also made this argument.

I don’t believe it’s true — and I say that as someone who’d like to keep the books around. Some of the books in question are stories specifically about the revelation of gender identity or sexual orientation. It’s disingenuous to pretend that a roomful of very young readers won’t end up grappling with the very topics of sexuality that parents can opt out of in health class.

The elementary school principals didn’t buy it, either. After reviewing the books, the association of unionized principals sent an alarmed letter to top Montgomery County Public School district officials. It reminded them that the county had described the books as promoting inclusivity by showcasing L.G.B.T.Q. characters.

“It has been communicated that M.C.P.S. is not teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity as stand-alone concepts in elementary school,” the letter said. “However, several of the books and supporting documents seem to contradict this message.”

The principals warned that the books might not be appropriate for primary school, that the teachers didn’t have proper training to present them and that some parents were concerned about hidden agendas and indoctrination. The letter noted that principals were facing parents who “vehemently” wanted the books kept from their children, as well as parent groups with “strong support” for the books. In short, decisions about the books could “significantly damage school-community relationships.”

Nevertheless, after listening to a student tell the school board the topics were “unsettling” because they contradicted her religious beliefs, a board member, Lynne Harris, told a reporter she felt “kind of sorry” for the girl and speculated that she may be “parroting dogma.” Other times Ms. Harris, who was not re-elected last fall, accused the parents of “hate” and ascribed to them “a judgmental view and a belief that not everybody is OK.” (Ms. Harris didn’t reply when I emailed her for comment.)
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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.


And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


So you think a family with 2 moms, simply because they have 2 moms, would be comfortable talking about sex in kindergarten in a group of their peers? This is exactly the groomer behavior people want to avoid.


The only people talking about sex are the conservatives. None of the books under discussion here for the ES curriculum are about sex.


Not conservative but don’t see why 5-8 year olds need pictures of adults in bed. Why not at a table or activity?


Here is the illustration of "adults in bed." From the 2021 video, so two years before the lawsuit was filed.

https://imgur.com/a/4puxfN9


lol! That’s “adults in bed”?


Yes. That's the only photo in the book of adults in bed. That's what they claim is too sexy for children. Two fully clothed adults with a kid and a dog jumping on the bed.
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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.


And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


So you think a family with 2 moms, simply because they have 2 moms, would be comfortable talking about sex in kindergarten in a group of their peers? This is exactly the groomer behavior people want to avoid.


The only people talking about sex are the conservatives. None of the books under discussion here for the ES curriculum are about sex.


Not conservative but don’t see why 5-8 year olds need pictures of adults in bed. Why not at a table or activity?


Here is the illustration of "adults in bed." From the 2021 video, so two years before the lawsuit was filed.

https://imgur.com/a/4puxfN9


lol! That’s “adults in bed”?


Yes. That's the only photo in the book of adults in bed. That's what they claim is too sexy for children. Two fully clothed adults with a kid and a dog jumping on the bed.


Not to mention, they are two cartoon characters that in my opinion, don’t even look like adults. It look like a sleepover to me.
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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.


And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


Nope . You can’t have 1 class where you have total opt out and guess what the scotus agrees. The books stay the kids stay home with their parents.

Would you also like a class where there are no black characters?
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Anonymous wrote:my kid in MCPS had a whole section on the caliphate Mohammad. Complete with pictures!


Yeah, so what? They teach about the history of most (maybe all?) major religions. Or do you think schools should be censoring history by pretending Christianity is the only religion ever to exist?


My kid definitely just learned about Mohammad as a historical figure, not as a religious one. But he’s in 4th grade. What grade does MCPS offer teachings for all major religions?
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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.


And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


Nope . You can’t have 1 class where you have total opt out and guess what the scotus agrees. The books stay the kids stay home with their parents.

Would you also like a class where there are no black characters?


Staying home would be another solution, I agree. But if they have to be in school then they need to be in easily removed sections to facilitate the school functioning and to not place further burdens on teachers.
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Anonymous wrote:I thought this was a really good column on this case: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/18/opinion/lgbtq-books-supreme-court.html

The district also argued in court that the books told “archetypal stories that touch on the same themes introduced to children in such classic books as ‘Snow White,’ ‘Cinderella’ and ‘Peter Pan.’” The characters happened to be L.G.B.T.Q., the argument went, but their sexuality and gender identity were not the point of the book. School board members have also made this argument.

I don’t believe it’s true — and I say that as someone who’d like to keep the books around. Some of the books in question are stories specifically about the revelation of gender identity or sexual orientation. It’s disingenuous to pretend that a roomful of very young readers won’t end up grappling with the very topics of sexuality that parents can opt out of in health class.

The elementary school principals didn’t buy it, either. After reviewing the books, the association of unionized principals sent an alarmed letter to top Montgomery County Public School district officials. It reminded them that the county had described the books as promoting inclusivity by showcasing L.G.B.T.Q. characters.

“It has been communicated that M.C.P.S. is not teaching about sexual orientation and gender identity as stand-alone concepts in elementary school,” the letter said. “However, several of the books and supporting documents seem to contradict this message.”

The principals warned that the books might not be appropriate for primary school, that the teachers didn’t have proper training to present them and that some parents were concerned about hidden agendas and indoctrination. The letter noted that principals were facing parents who “vehemently” wanted the books kept from their children, as well as parent groups with “strong support” for the books. In short, decisions about the books could “significantly damage school-community relationships.”

Nevertheless, after listening to a student tell the school board the topics were “unsettling” because they contradicted her religious beliefs, a board member, Lynne Harris, told a reporter she felt “kind of sorry” for the girl and speculated that she may be “parroting dogma.” Other times Ms. Harris, who was not re-elected last fall, accused the parents of “hate” and ascribed to them “a judgmental view and a belief that not everybody is OK.” (Ms. Harris didn’t reply when I emailed her for comment.)


Harris like Bigots give a bad name to LGB community.
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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.


And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


Nope . You can’t have 1 class where you have total opt out and guess what the scotus agrees. The books stay the kids stay home with their parents.

Would you also like a class where there are no black characters?


Staying home would be another solution, I agree. But if they have to be in school then they need to be in easily removed sections to facilitate the school functioning and to not place further burdens on teachers.


If parents are working, whose going to take care of them. This is a selfish attitude. School is for education, not your agenda. Teaching diversity and inclusion should be more than this specific group. These are the only books kids get and its very disturbing. Kids don't need this at a young age. If you aren't addressing it at home and need the school to do it, there are bigger issues here. Start by parenting and teaching at home.
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And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


Nope . You can’t have 1 class where you have total opt out and guess what the scotus agrees. The books stay the kids stay home with their parents.

Would you also like a class where there are no black characters?


MCPS focuses on students of color, except Muslim and other specific groups and LGBT. Its not inclusive or welcoming to other groups. They will do something about a hate crime against LGBT, but nothing when Jews and Muslims are targeted. The county will pay for security for private Jewish Schools but not MCPS schools.
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And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?


That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.


Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?


DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.


It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.


Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.


That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.


Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.


You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.


I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.


Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.


Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.


If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.



Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)


They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.


seriously, just have the religious kids in a separate class and on days where everyone else learns about gay people, they can pray instead. but they need to be separated in order to provide material for all kids.


Nope . You can’t have 1 class where you have total opt out and guess what the scotus agrees. The books stay the kids stay home with their parents.

Would you also like a class where there are no black characters?


Staying home would be another solution, I agree. But if they have to be in school then they need to be in easily removed sections to facilitate the school functioning and to not place further burdens on teachers.


The rolling was that would be too much of a burden on a large school system and then it’s up to the parents to keep their kids out of the class. It’s only the responsibility of the teacher administration to let the parents know what books are being read.

Are you telling me that your religion is too much of a burden?
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