Ruling on MCPS LGBT curriculum case coming this morning

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.

Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.

Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.

Some teachers are very inappropriate with what they teach and share. You cannot have your own beliefs or religion as kids who speak up about them or their different families get reprimanded and targeted. Speaking from experience. Go back to the basics and don’t offend anyone.

This is basic. These are just books with vocabulary words like fasting and wheelchair and leather…. Lord forbid your kids learn the word wheelchair.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.

Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.

Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.

If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.

Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Where are you that you get that? We’ve never had spelling tests except the few years we were in private not in MCPS. No idea what math minutes are. And, zero grammar. Kids had to guess spelling and were given a dictionary.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Yeah, seriously. That person clearly doesn't have elementary school kids, the spelling tests are constant, there are quizzes all the time, and there's tons of attention to vocabulary, grammar, math, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

You think teaching kids about the AAPI experience, or kids with disabilities, is "sealing their innocence?"

Wow.

Wow. This just shows the end agenda of the right-wingers. Nothing but perfect eugenic white families.

I’m not a right winger, I just think school should be for learning. Not your agenda.

Exactly, lets get back to basics. Let politics, personal beliefs, religion and all that to parents' outside the school. They spend more time on this nonsense than they do actual teaching.

Agreed. So why are people trying to force their personal agenda and religion on the school system by demanding the right to review and opt out of what books are read? Let the teachers teach and don't micromanage what books they use to do it or waste their time with having to figure out some complicated opt-out process for your special snowflake You can have your own religion and personal beliefs but you need to communicate those to your children outside of the schools, not tell the schools what they can and can't have in their books.

If you really read this ruling , this is actually another win from Montgomery County Public schools. Because they provided an opt out and they provided excused absences, teachers do not have to change their curriculum. They do not have to ban any books. They do not have to get rid of any of these books.

Yeah, right. You really think our schools have the staffing to pull kids out from classes every time a book like this gets read? They'll have to drop the books for everyone, it's just not feasible. (Or if they do manage to read them with opt outs and pull staff from their duties of actually helping kids to babysitting them because their parents are scared of a children's book, that's still an infuriating imposition of parents' religious beliefs on worsening the effectiveness of our school system. Keep your beliefs at home.)

They will keep it and do like holiday parties and pull out the kids to punish them. How about being culturally sensitive and aware and respecting other’s beliefs. Cultural sensitivity should go both ways and not just your one sided battle view. Keep your views at home if you want others too. Why do you get to impose your values on others but they aren’t allowed to say no? If they imposed their views on your kids, you’d want to be able to say no.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the transcript of oral argument for this case. Search for “puppy” to see the discussion.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2024/24-297_p8k0.pdf

lol a woman in a leather jacket!?? How demented are these religious right people that they see a leather jacket and they think sex or bondage? Oh my God!

You can have all the tantrums you want, but that doesn’t change the transcript.

Candidly the district lost the entire case in oral argument because they came across as unprepared and stupid.

Actually, if you read the whole case on Montgomery County Public school said that they could not manage tons of children opting out because they didn’t have the staff to manage it.

The Supreme Court actually agreed with them and said that kids can stay home and have an excused absence.

So they didn’t actually totally lose. They do not have to provide alternate plans.

The parent did not ask for alternative plans at the PI stage. The County would not give them an opt-out.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Yeah, seriously. That person clearly doesn't have elementary school kids, the spelling tests are constant, there are quizzes all the time, and there's tons of attention to vocabulary, grammar, math, etc.

I have HSers in MCPS. They did not have constant spelling tests and quizzes all the time. When did that start happening? As my HSers will tell you, there was very little time devoted grammar as all the kids are learning it now for testing.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

How’s it stealing innocence to know that somebody is in a wheelchair? Or that some people fast during Ramadan?

Can you point me to where someone on this thread said kids shouldn’t know someone was in a wheelchair or that some people fast during Ramadan? Can you also let us know how this relates to the elementary school curriculum?

Those things are not taught when you talk about being inclusive. Or, at least our experience they never talk about different religions and disabilities.

So the answer is no where. No one on this thread said teaching those things steals innocence.

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Anonymous wrote:There are 2 genders.

And all those troublesome intersex people, but why let biological reality get in the way of a dumb slogan?

That’s high school level biology/genetics curriculum, not kindergarten.

+1 just had this discussion with my 17 yr old DD who has a few gay friends, one who is her bff since 8. She said ES is not age appropriate to bring up these topics.

My older kid had a bff in ES whose parents were gay. It was just matter of fact for them - oh, my bff has two moms, and that was it. ES children don't delve too deeply into the whys and hows. They just accept it. There is no reason to teach them about the rest of the alphabet soup of genders at this age.

Ok. So you asked a cisgender, heterosexual teen, who presumably has cisgender heterosexual parents, and who also has a primarily cisgender and heterosexual peer group, and who has never been a parent, what she thought would be good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents? And you are offering this in the spirit of authority?

DP. Your question was “what’s good for queer kids and kids with same sex parents.” That’s not the charge of our elementary public school system. Getting confused about the mission of public school education is how we got into this situation.

It is absolutely the job of public education to reflect the everyday lives of students, and to create a welcoming environment in which they see their own reality reflected back to them. This contributes to classroom learning.

Then how about doing that for all groups, family styles and disabilities and not just your chosen favorite one.

That's the point! No one is saying only teach about LGBTQ families! Those of us who want "My Uncle's Wedding" read in school ALSO want other books reflecting diverse experiences. Lailah's Lunchbox, Jabari Jumps, Eyes the Kiss Corners, What Happened to You, The Girl who Thought in Pictures.

Why do you want to steal innocence from children? You should reflect on that during therapy.

How’s it stealing innocence to know that somebody is in a wheelchair? Or that some people fast during Ramadan?

Can you point me to where someone on this thread said kids shouldn’t know someone was in a wheelchair or that some people fast during Ramadan? Can you also let us know how this relates to the elementary school curriculum?

Those things are not taught when you talk about being inclusive. Or, at least our experience they never talk about different religions and disabilities.

So the answer is no where. No one on this thread said teaching those things steals innocence.

That’s not the point. Mcps is not inclusive. They only care about specific populations.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Yeah, seriously. That person clearly doesn't have elementary school kids, the spelling tests are constant, there are quizzes all the time, and there's tons of attention to vocabulary, grammar, math, etc.

I have HSers in MCPS. They did not have constant spelling tests and quizzes all the time. When did that start happening? As my HSers will tell you, there was very little time devoted grammar as all the kids are learning it now for testing.

We spent a ton of time on all of it plus writing to the point one teacher accused our kid of cheating as the writing had few mistakes. They did not cheat as we talked about it, worked through the assignment and proof read it. It was a long paper kids never did before. Kid wrote it all with our feedback. You cannot win.

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Where are you that you get that? We’ve never had spelling tests except the few years we were in private not in MCPS. No idea what math minutes are. And, zero grammar. Kids had to guess spelling and were given a dictionary.

well my kid in 4th did spelling tests in MCPS this year, so maybe you just forgot or missed something. And a whole section on grammar....

what school are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:For the parents opting their children out of lessons because those lessons include a same sex couple family, please know that the vast majority of us judge you harshly as a bigot and your kids will likely suffer social consequences because of your intolerance. I feel bad for them, especially those who are themselves gay. Shame on you, you intolerant and insecure people.

The vibe has shifted. I think you’ll be surprised at who is judging who here.

No such thing as a "bigot". This is a fake, made up social construct that liberals made up for people who don't agree with them. Disagreeing with you doesn't make someone an uneducated, narrow minded "bigot". It just means someone doesn't agree wth your social activist agenda.

It always interesting when folks throw out the phrase social activist as though that is a bad thing. They forgot that the founding fathers are social activist, the suffragist are social activist, Abolitionist are social activist, Etc etc. I’m pretty sure social activist consider themselves in good company of people who people and movements that have had transformational change good for humanity.

Oh yes the whole founding father’s argument again. Show me where they read pornography to children and didn’t let parents opt out.

Also if you label yourself an activist then don’t tell me that you don’t have an agenda that you want to impose on my kids.

That wasn’t me, I’m no activist. I just want school to be for reading, writing, spelling, math, grammar, etc and think you can do all of that without ever discussing gay sex in kindergarten.

All these new trendy or made up curriclums are why kids are struggling. Get back to the basics. Give spelling and vocabulary books yearly and have weekly quizzes and assignments. Same with the basics for math, like math facts. Kids cannot be successful in MS or HS with the foundation work done in ES.

Which school is not teaching those?

All the ones we’ve been to. Zero vocab, spelling, math facts or grammar. We did it all at home.

Which score is that? Actually, the spelling tests almost killed me. Love to know where there’s no spelling tests., or math minutes, or grammar for that matter

Yeah, seriously. That person clearly doesn't have elementary school kids, the spelling tests are constant, there are quizzes all the time, and there's tons of attention to vocabulary, grammar, math, etc.

I have HSers in MCPS. They did not have constant spelling tests and quizzes all the time. When did that start happening? As my HSers will tell you, there was very little time devoted grammar as all the kids are learning it now for testing.

If your experience with elementary school is years out of date, maybe don't comment on things you're not familiar with?

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my kid in MCPS had a whole section on the caliphate Mohammad. Complete with pictures!