What is your federal agency telling you re: RTO? (No other rants/comments!)

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

The Treasury Secretary has already stated that it is a questionable security practice to have people telework. So that sounds like we should never telework for the safety of the nation.

They can't have it both ways.

There’s what…a snow day a year? 😂 This response is literally so childish it’s what my children actually do. “Oh well if you’re going to do that then I’m going to do <insert something very benign>”

It's clearly not completely benign considering the Telework Enhancement Act was passed as a result of the government inefficiency after Snowmaggedon.

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There’s what…a snow day a year? 😂 This response is literally so childish it’s what my children actually do. “Oh well if you’re going to do that then I’m going to do <insert something very benign>”

These people are so delusional. No wonder people don't seem to care that they are getting called back to work.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

Sounds nice conceptually, but agencies are 100% going to be monitoring network activity, badge swipes, etc.

They can pull VPN (I think it is) data to see where people are working from. I’m private sector, but my company does this periodically.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

The Treasury Secretary has already stated that it is a questionable security practice to have people telework. So that sounds like we should never telework for the safety of the nation.

They can't have it both ways.

There’s what…a snow day a year? 😂 This response is literally so childish it’s what my children actually do. “Oh well if you’re going to do that then I’m going to do <insert something very benign>”

It's clearly not completely benign considering the Telework Enhancement Act was passed as a result of the government inefficiency after Snowmaggedon.

What would happen if there was another pandemic or 9/11?

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

Some people have already answered you better than I could, but since you are a supervisor, you could all band together to flex your employees yourselves. Nobody squeals. Everyone covers for everyone. There are people there all the time... rotating. And you just gaslight the ninnies who are babysitting at the top if there even are any. "Oh, Susan? She's definitely here today. She must be in the restroom."

Sounds nice conceptually, but agencies are 100% going to be monitoring network activity, badge swipes, etc.

They can pull VPN (I think it is) data to see where people are working from. I’m private sector, but my company does this periodically.

But it’s not like you can’t use VPN in the evening. Also I have two computers so it’s totally possible one would be on VPN at home and one at the office at the same time.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

What certain circumstances? My agency has yet to state one circumstance that would make telework OK other than weather/office closures.

Exactly. Until the “certain circumstances” exception is more clear, I’m not signing anything. I’m sure as heck not signing something that gives the employer the flexibility that it wants but gives me no meaningful flexibility at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

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Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

I heard they exempted the PTO from this, though?

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Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

I heard they exempted the PTO from this, though?

There were exempted from the commerce memo. They released their own with the same wording a few hours later

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Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

I heard they exempted the PTO from this, though?

There were exempted from the commerce memo. They released their own with the same wording a few hours later

They want all the examiners back in the building? They won't fit, there's no room.

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Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

I didn't get that follow-up saying Wednesday. Although I know they're holding off on sending another update until after Lutnick's hearing.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

A telework agreement is a joint agreement between the employee and the employer (the government). An employee has ALWAYS had the right to not sign a telework agreement. If an employee decides they do not like the conditions, they don’t have to sign it. Same with the government. What we are all saying, and I’m a NP but agree with others, is that “certain circumstances “ seems a little too vague and I will not sign it if I get minimal flexibility as an employee. It is not “childish” and I hope you can come around on your thinking because you will definitely have employees who are unwilling to sign that telework agreement now.

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Anonymous wrote:Still nothing as of 0900 on Monday - I work for Army/DoD at the Pentagon- I have had 2 days of TW a week. Sorry to see that go, but writing seems to be on the wall. There are not enough desks for my office if every person came back 5 days a week - we already share offices and have cubicles - I am a GS15 - so they will have to get creative with that.

Why go? You are a 15. Wait it out.

you should have been notified this morning. DoD finally got the message- all telework and remote is canceled. 30 days to comply. you can fill out paperwork for situational TW so you can work from home on a snow day (not sure why anyone would so this?)

You do it so you don't have to take annual leave.

My command basically told us that if you don't want to do situational telework then you will take admin leave if the office is closed.

Annual not admin. Bascially if you don't do the telework agreement then you're burning your own leave.

I don’t think they can make you take leave if OPM is closed.

Yes they can—if it’s a snow emergency and OPM is closed, daycares are closed, you can’t get emergency care, your options are to take leave or…take leave. It sucks.

If you have a signed telework agreement in place. All of the current ones are now void and no new ones have been drafted. If it snows next week, then it's weather admin time because no new agreements will be in place yet

Is that the hill you really want to die on with your supervisor?

I supervise people and I treat people like adults and don't clock watch or do any of the crazy stories I read about on here. But if someone wants to play that game with me and push hard on telework when they've been work from home for years then I can play that game too and treat people like children if that's how they are going to act over the new President's policies.

This is actually a legitimate response though - not childish. If I don't have a valid telework agreement in place, my equipment isn't covered. I shouldn't be taking it home.

But it is childish. There will be a teleowork agreement in place for certain circumstances. If you don't sign it then you're being childish.

A telework agreement is a joint agreement between the employee and the employer (the government). An employee has ALWAYS had the right to not sign a telework agreement. If an employee decides they do not like the conditions, they don’t have to sign it. Same with the government. What we are all saying, and I’m a NP but agree with others, is that “certain circumstances “ seems a little too vague and I will not sign it if I get minimal flexibility as an employee. It is not “childish” and I hope you can come around on your thinking because you will definitely have employees who are unwilling to sign that telework agreement now.

The crazy thing is that I really think you actually believe employment from a specific entity is something you’re just “owed” and you can demand any terms and conditions you’d like. PLEASE try and get that job in the private sector that according to you pays 5x what you make in the gov. Would LOVE to know how that goes!

I’m not making demands. The actual government, who happens to be my employer, has told me these are the terms and conditions of the telework agreement. As much as you may hate it, I am not an at will employee and I do have rights. Sorry that makes you so mad!

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Anonymous wrote:Commerce intends to get rid of situational telework.

They also wanted everyone in today after telling staff on Friday. They have now said Wednesday and they will figure out space at that time.

I didn't get that follow-up saying Wednesday. Although I know they're holding off on sending another update until after Lutnick's hearing.

Perhaps it’s office dependent. I work in grants.

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My job people who abuse telework or remote we just take away all lap top access. They can only log in to work at the office and we track the hours.

Any amount less than 40 has to be coded as vacation, personal day, floating holiday etc.

And we take away email on phone or aps on phone So you cant pretend to work while not in office.

Hardly rarely it happens I only recall one person in last two years who had this punishment