Wisconsin Ave Development Project

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Anonymous wrote:If there is over supply then why are people so up in arms about zoning changes? Nothing will get built if no $$$s can be made.

The market will solve the issue.

Because when the market "solves" something it does so through destruction. It's the same reason we don't want the market to "solve" homelessness or poverty.

Huh? How is the fact that developers can't make money building housing, because according to PP there is already too much housing...destruction?

Don't you know that DC needs to jettison the Height Act so that developers can make more money... and build more market rate housing?

God forbid anybody makes money when providing a good (housing) that people demand. Surely no other market does this…

God forbid that Washington DC gives up one of the most fundamental urban planning features that makes it unique among major US cities. It would just be property rights Libertarian-style deregulation to fatten the profit margins of well-connected developers. That sounds, well, kind of Trumpy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet there is still talk of bike lanes on Connecticut and replacing functioning gas stoves, "extras" by most peoples' definition...

If we know that gas fumes are bad for humans, and there are incentives to replace them with electric that don't have fumes that cause health problems, then what is the problem? No one is forcing you to replace a gas stove, but if you are doing a substantial renovation, given what we know today, why would anyone use them now?

Because they are better ranges and because induction requires new pans and a heavy up.

Induction stoves should not require a heavy up unless your box is completely maxed out on breakers - the stoves themselves use very little electricity.

We've added an induction stove, a heat pump and an EV charger to our 25 year old box in the last 4 years with zero issues and we still have 4 available breaker slots for converting our hot water heater and 2nd furnace to electric.

We installed our induction stove in October and about two-thirds of our pots and pans work with the new stove - the only stuff that didn't work were the non-stick pans but we were planning to get rid of those anyhow because the PFAs flake off and can get into your food. Stainless steel cookware works just fine with an induction stove.

And gas stoves are not better ranges at all - the induction stove cooks stuff much faster and FWIW is way easier to clean.

Good for you. I don't think you've followed the building code regarding your service load if you didn't already have a heavy up. It's not about the amount of breakers on a panel. It's about max load if everything was running at the same time. We've run the load numbers.

Gas ranges are better for people that cook a lot because you can visually see the temperature adjustments you make. I'm not trying to cook things faster I'm trying to cook things better.

As for pots and pans, copper bottom ones don't work on induction because they aren't magnetic. All my pots and pans are copper bottomed because they distribute heat better. I don't use any non-stick pans.

The building code doesn't cover service load - would love to see that citation.

In any case we in fact paid someone to do an analysis of our load but it was for the EV charger not the induction stove - induction stoves use very little electricity and no one will need to do a heavy up to install one.

And in our case we still didn't need to do a heavy up and don't anticipate needing to despite adding 3 additional appliances that run on electricity and if we get to the point where we start to hit the systems limit we can just charge the car overnight when the heat pumps will be off.

Because we've installed high efficiency appliances over the years our overall electricity use is only up by 25% despite switching from gas to electric.

And weird that you eyeball the gas flames to determine temperature rather than the setting which tells you the same thing but I'm guessing your reluctance to consider change has more to do with politics than your perceived cooking skills - we cook a lot and have had zero issues perceiving the amount of heat our induction stove is generating and doubt anyone else is having trouble with it.

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There is not an increased demand for market rate housing. There is a big demand for subsidized housing in DC. That requires a different solution, and it's not more vouchers. Maybe a subsidized social housing project or some sort of halfway houses for people in need of more intense services after years on the street.

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Anonymous wrote:induction stoves use very little electricity and no one will need to do a heavy up to install one.

I love my induction, and wouldn't ever want to go back to gas. But misinformation like you're posting doesn't help anyone. Induction needs a dedicated 240V/208V circuit just like regular electric. In fact, my induction cooktop calls for a higher amperage circuit than the regular electric cooktop it replaced. If a gas cooktop or range is being replaced with electric, a new 240V/208V circuit will almost certainly have to be added. Some of these installations, especially in older structures, are going to need a heavy-up.

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Anonymous wrote:Yet there is still talk of bike lanes on Connecticut and replacing functioning gas stoves, "extras" by most peoples' definition...

If we know that gas fumes are bad for humans, and there are incentives to replace them with electric that don't have fumes that cause health problems, then what is the problem? No one is forcing you to replace a gas stove, but if you are doing a substantial renovation, given what we know today, why would anyone use them now?

Because they are better ranges and because induction requires new pans and a heavy up.

Induction stoves should not require a heavy up unless your box is completely maxed out on breakers - the stoves themselves use very little electricity.

We've added an induction stove, a heat pump and an EV charger to our 25 year old box in the last 4 years with zero issues and we still have 4 available breaker slots for converting our hot water heater and 2nd furnace to electric.

We installed our induction stove in October and about two-thirds of our pots and pans work with the new stove - the only stuff that didn't work were the non-stick pans but we were planning to get rid of those anyhow because the PFAs flake off and can get into your food. Stainless steel cookware works just fine with an induction stove.

And gas stoves are not better ranges at all - the induction stove cooks stuff much faster and FWIW is way easier to clean.

Good for you. I don't think you've followed the building code regarding your service load if you didn't already have a heavy up. It's not about the amount of breakers on a panel. It's about max load if everything was running at the same time. We've run the load numbers.

Gas ranges are better for people that cook a lot because you can visually see the temperature adjustments you make. I'm not trying to cook things faster I'm trying to cook things better.

As for pots and pans, copper bottom ones don't work on induction because they aren't magnetic. All my pots and pans are copper bottomed because they distribute heat better. I don't use any non-stick pans.

The building code doesn't cover service load - would love to see that citation.

In any case we in fact paid someone to do an analysis of our load but it was for the EV charger not the induction stove - induction stoves use very little electricity and no one will need to do a heavy up to install one.

And in our case we still didn't need to do a heavy up and don't anticipate needing to despite adding 3 additional appliances that run on electricity and if we get to the point where we start to hit the systems limit we can just charge the car overnight when the heat pumps will be off.

Because we've installed high efficiency appliances over the years our overall electricity use is only up by 25% despite switching from gas to electric.

And weird that you eyeball the gas flames to determine temperature rather than the setting which tells you the same thing but I'm guessing your reluctance to consider change has more to do with politics than your perceived cooking skills - we cook a lot and have had zero issues perceiving the amount of heat our induction stove is generating and doubt anyone else is having trouble with it.

Good for you. You are clearly very proud of yourself and a pompous ass to boot. My choice of stove has absolutely nothing to do with politics, although your choice clearly does so that's a weird bit of projection, it has to do with cooking and nothing else.

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Anonymous wrote:induction stoves use very little electricity and no one will need to do a heavy up to install one.

I love my induction, and wouldn't ever want to go back to gas. But misinformation like you're posting doesn't help anyone. Induction needs a dedicated 240V/208V circuit just like regular electric. In fact, my induction cooktop calls for a higher amperage circuit than the regular electric cooktop it replaced. If a gas cooktop or range is being replaced with electric, a new 240V/208V circuit will almost certainly have to be added. Some of these installations, especially in older structures, are going to need a heavy-up.

Yes you need a 240V line for an induction stove but in net induction stoves don't actually use that much electricity.

Sure older houses often need heavy-ups but the additional demand on the box from an induction stove is negligible - it is the heat pump and EV charger that put you over the top not an induction stove.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes you need a 240V line for an induction stove but in net induction stoves don't actually use that much electricity.

Sure older houses often need heavy-ups but the additional demand on the box from an induction stove is negligible - it is the heat pump and EV charger that put you over the top not an induction stove.

Going from gas stove to induction stove means going from gas oven to electric oven, which isn't negligible.

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Anonymous wrote:Rates on Connecticut and Wisconsin were artificially inflated by the voucher program. No change in heights is needed, demand has not changed significantly. If DC managed to get their owned public housing back on line and if they altered the voucher program so it wasn't a draw for vagrants and addicts from across the country, the situation would be much improved.

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