NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences

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But then how would the colleges get mega millions for their football team? Or basketball in the case of Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.

And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?

Or their dad is Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.

And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?

Or their dad is Trump.

I wonder if the youngest child of DJT will attend one of those evil woke marxist universities.

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Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

Same thing happened in San Francisco.

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Anonymous wrote:I really want to hear someone defend athletic recruiting to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary the travel, parental involvement and training required for a child to be recruitable are.

All the money in the world wont turn a slob into a college level wide receiver or shooting guard. Parents who think that it will are delusional.

Irrelevant. Millions of kids who have the character traits to succeed in college sports never get a chance to due to the expenses of participation and parental involvement.

Everyone harps on about test prep, but test prep can be done alone, as millions of immigrant kids do every year. Sports cannot be played alone.

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Anonymous wrote:I really want to hear someone defend athletic recruiting to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary the travel, parental involvement and training required for a child to be recruitable are.

I really want to hear someone defend private secondary schools pipeline to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend standardized testing and paid test prep, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend the common app essay and the paid prep and adult assistance, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....

If only we could all have equal outcomes.

There are public magnets to rival private prep schools.

Standardized tests can be prepped for alone using free prep books from the library.

Acquiring help in Common App essays is cheating, and no one defends that.

Meanwhile sports cannot be paid by oneself, requires high fees + high parental involvement. It's also entirely irrelevant to academics. There's no way to defend it.

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Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

Same thing happened in San Francisco.

I agree that schools shouldn't discriminate against Asian-American kids. I also think that the Supreme Court will end affirmative action in college admissions. However, I think it is naive to think that this will end discrimination against Asian students. Elite universities will still find ways to keep the schools from becoming majority Asian and that will be through other hooks like legacy and sports. Also, if you do the math, ending AA at schools will not open as many seats as I think people imagine. Harvard will open about 100 seats (the plaintiffs presented these numbers in their brief). The admit rate for a non-hooked kid will not dramatically change at T20 schools--I would even extend that to T50 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

Same thing happened in San Francisco.

I agree that schools shouldn't discriminate against Asian-American kids. I also think that the Supreme Court will end affirmative action in college admissions. However, I think it is naive to think that this will end discrimination against Asian students. Elite universities will still find ways to keep the schools from becoming majority Asian and that will be through other hooks like legacy and sports. Also, if you do the math, ending AA at schools will not open as many seats as I think people imagine. Harvard will open about 100 seats (the plaintiffs presented these numbers in their brief). The admit rate for a non-hooked kid will not dramatically change at T20 schools--I would even extend that to T50 schools.

Well, you have to start somewhere.

Just accepting racial discrimination for ever, the current status quo, is a non starter.

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Anonymous wrote:I really want to hear someone defend athletic recruiting to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary the travel, parental involvement and training required for a child to be recruitable are.

I really want to hear someone defend private secondary schools pipeline to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend standardized testing and paid test prep, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend the common app essay and the paid prep and adult assistance, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....

If only we could all have equal outcomes.

There are public magnets to rival private prep schools.

Standardized tests can be prepped for alone using free prep books from the library.

Acquiring help in Common App essays is cheating, and no one defends that.

Meanwhile sports cannot be paid by oneself, requires high fees + high parental involvement. It's also entirely irrelevant to academics. There's no way to defend it.

No the privates are far superior and you know they are - otherwise whats the point?

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Anonymous wrote:They can’t get rid of athletic preferences or they won’t be able to field a team. It makes no sense.

I still don’t see how colleges won’t be able to still keep doing it with.holistic admissions . The whole process is such a random crapshoot anyway,

Maybe sports really shouldn't be that important to colleges. Much better things to spend the money on.

It's customer-driven, and you don't get to decide where I should spend my money.

what customer? if they want to be business, they should pay taxes like businesses and don't get any State/Federal supports

I am the customer. I am full-pay for multiple kids. I get to choose who gets my money. Others have the same choice. If a school wants that money, they better provide the product I want. Otherwise that money goes to their competitor.

Ok, how much are you paying per year. How much is a football team making from season ticket holders, their conference's TV deal, even donors who only care about football or basketball?

For the elite D3 schools with sports, it's the full-paying customers like me that ensure sports always be there. Those schools will need to ensure that their teams are filled, and athletes will have a preference in admissions.

Money is money. The schools can collect it from the nerds as easily as the jocks.

No they can't. Tickets don't sell quite as quickly or as high priced for the Integration Bee.

Sorry, but no one buys any tickets to D3 sports. No one knows or cares about any of the competitions, except for the few people involved. That goes for most D1 and D2 competitions as well

D3 sports doesn't collect money from ticket sales. They collect money from full-pay students, which skew heavily towards athletes. It's a market, and those full-pay students get to choose where they spend their money. And for the foolish notion that somehow non-athletes would just fill those full-pay slots....if that were true, schools with no athletic departments like Olin College would have people beating down their doors...it isn't happening.

D3 sports do not fund their athletes. They are full pay.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

Same thing happened in San Francisco.

I agree that schools shouldn't discriminate against Asian-American kids. I also think that the Supreme Court will end affirmative action in college admissions. However, I think it is naive to think that this will end discrimination against Asian students. Elite universities will still find ways to keep the schools from becoming majority Asian and that will be through other hooks like legacy and sports. Also, if you do the math, ending AA at schools will not open as many seats as I think people imagine. Harvard will open about 100 seats (the plaintiffs presented these numbers in their brief). The admit rate for a non-hooked kid will not dramatically change at T20 schools--I would even extend that to T50 schools.

Well, you have to start somewhere.

Just accepting racial discrimination for ever, the current status quo, is a non starter.

I don't disagree but looking at this thread, I think many parents think there will be a sea change starting with the class of 2024. I was talking a neighbor and realized that she doesn't realize how many high stats students are applying to the same 20 schools and also how test optional has made the situation even crazier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I really want to hear someone defend athletic recruiting to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary the travel, parental involvement and training required for a child to be recruitable are.

I really want to hear someone defend private secondary schools pipeline to elite schools, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend standardized testing and paid test prep, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....
I really want to hear someone defend the common app essay and the paid prep and adult assistance, considering how expensive and therefore exclusionary....

If only we could all have equal outcomes.

People choose to spend their money however they want.

Nothing to defend.

Only thing is that athletic recruites should be limtied to certain majors such as physical education someting like that

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Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

Same thing happened in San Francisco.

I agree that schools shouldn't discriminate against Asian-American kids. I also think that the Supreme Court will end affirmative action in college admissions. However, I think it is naive to think that this will end discrimination against Asian students. Elite universities will still find ways to keep the schools from becoming majority Asian and that will be through other hooks like legacy and sports. Also, if you do the math, ending AA at schools will not open as many seats as I think people imagine. Harvard will open about 100 seats (the plaintiffs presented these numbers in their brief). The admit rate for a non-hooked kid will not dramatically change at T20 schools--I would even extend that to T50 schools.

Well, you have to start somewhere.

Just accepting racial discrimination for ever, the current status quo, is a non starter.

I don't disagree but looking at this thread, I think many parents think there will be a sea change starting with the class of 2024. I was talking a neighbor and realized that she doesn't realize how many high stats students are applying to the same 20 schools and also how test optional has made the situation even crazier.

Test optional does make everything crazier.

I guess schools will evaluate students based on their horoscope.

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Anonymous wrote:They can’t get rid of athletic preferences or they won’t be able to field a team. It makes no sense.

I still don’t see how colleges won’t be able to still keep doing it with.holistic admissions . The whole process is such a random crapshoot anyway,

Maybe sports really shouldn't be that important to colleges. Much better things to spend the money on.

It's customer-driven, and you don't get to decide where I should spend my money.

what customer? if they want to be business, they should pay taxes like businesses and don't get any State/Federal supports

I am the customer. I am full-pay for multiple kids. I get to choose who gets my money. Others have the same choice. If a school wants that money, they better provide the product I want. Otherwise that money goes to their competitor.

Ok, how much are you paying per year. How much is a football team making from season ticket holders, their conference's TV deal, even donors who only care about football or basketball?

For the elite D3 schools with sports, it's the full-paying customers like me that ensure sports always be there. Those schools will need to ensure that their teams are filled, and athletes will have a preference in admissions.

Money is money. The schools can collect it from the nerds as easily as the jocks.

No they can't. Tickets don't sell quite as quickly or as high priced for the Integration Bee.

Sorry, but no one buys any tickets to D3 sports. No one knows or cares about any of the competitions, except for the few people involved. That goes for most D1 and D2 competitions as well

D3 sports doesn't collect money from ticket sales. They collect money from full-pay students, which skew heavily towards athletes. It's a market, and those full-pay students get to choose where they spend their money. And for the foolish notion that somehow non-athletes would just fill those full-pay slots....if that were true, schools with no athletic departments like Olin College would have people beating down their doors...it isn't happening.

D3 sports do not fund their athletes. They are full pay.

They provide it under special scholarships and different merit awards. It's not called an athletic scholarship, but they definitely find ways to throw some cash to an athlete they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this whattaboutism is a ridiculous distraction by racist leftwingers. Nobody cares about legacy admits, about sports, about white males. WE WANT ASIAN CHILDREN TO STOP BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST IN SCHOOLS OF ALL LEVELS.

Sorry that Biden, FCPS school board, and apparently the rest of the nationwide bleeding heart liberals hate asian kids

No, we bleeding heart liberals don't hate your kids, or you. We just don't share your belief that you're being discriminated against in college admissions. We frequently come to your defense in other cases where there's a genuine problem, and will continue to do so.

Ok racist white person