NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.

It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.

Definitely not true. If you’re applying from a “bad” high school you better be at the tippy top of the class (not just top 10% or 20%) and you’ll have to source all your extracurriculars on your own. You also will have to self-study to get 5s on AP tests for your AP classes (if offered). If the average SAT at your HS is an 900, the admissions officers will assume you scored similarly if you apply TO. And so on.

But you knew that, or else you’d put your kid in Dunbar or Anascotia tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You think the colleges are gonna depend on historical red lining to find diverse neighborhoods

dp.. they can look at the current demographics of a particular zipcode. I don't think it's a bad idea.

But I don't think legacies will go by the wayside anytime. That's laughable. The powers that be will never go for it because legacy protects their offsprings. It's the ultimate opportunity hoarding.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.

Good

The whole women in stem thing is bs

Iran puts more women in stem than the Nordic countries…which is better for women?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.

It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.

This is not really the case. We’re at such a school and kids get zero counseling or help with school selection. My daughter spoke to a counselor for ten min at the start of senior year and that was it. The counselors focus on getting kids to graduate, they don’t have the bandwidth to care about what colleges the kids go to. Looking at Naviance, a lot of top schools never accept the high stats kids who apply from our school and it’s probably because they think the kids aren’t prepared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No obvious logical connection between loss of AA and need to get rid of legacy and athletic admits. This is basically the colleges petulantly threatening to take away our dessert if we don’t eat our peas.

Depends on the rationale. There are Asian Americans on this site threatening to bring discriminatory impact suits against every college with a football team. And they think they’ll win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.

It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.

This is not really the case. We’re at such a school and kids get zero counseling or help with school selection. My daughter spoke to a counselor for ten min at the start of senior year and that was it. The counselors focus on getting kids to graduate, they don’t have the bandwidth to care about what colleges the kids go to. Looking at Naviance, a lot of top schools never accept the high stats kids who apply from our school and it’s probably because they think the kids aren’t prepared.

Which is why being a top students with parents who can navigate the process is such an advantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No obvious logical connection between loss of AA and need to get rid of legacy and athletic admits. This is basically the colleges petulantly threatening to take away our dessert if we don’t eat our peas.

Depends on the rationale. There are Asian Americans on this site threatening to bring discriminatory impact suits against every college with a football team. And they think they’ll win.

They are delusional. College football means a lot more to conservatives in this country than perceived discrimination

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.

It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.

This is not really the case. We’re at such a school and kids get zero counseling or help with school selection. My daughter spoke to a counselor for ten min at the start of senior year and that was it. The counselors focus on getting kids to graduate, they don’t have the bandwidth to care about what colleges the kids go to. Looking at Naviance, a lot of top schools never accept the high stats kids who apply from our school and it’s probably because they think the kids aren’t prepared.

And if you're honest, most are not prepared. Pretty much the only ones are those who self-study outside of school. My kids go to a similar (in their case DCPS) high school and the quality of instruction is basically pretty terrible (two of my kids' classes don't even currently have teachers).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.

Sure. Unless you are an Asian American woman. What this article fails to mention is that the whole college admissions process has been blatantly racist against Asians. Also since we are talking about women girls in general are disadvantaged under admissions to make way for more males that are less qualified. Again college admission here needs an overhaul. Many other countries rely on other meritocratic measures for competitive college admissions and I am all for that.

LOL how is the current college environment “racist” against Asians when they are already represented 2-3x in elite colleges relative to their share of population? Your criticism makes zero sense. Asians are doing f#cking awesome under the current system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.

Good

The whole women in stem thing is bs

Iran puts more women in stem than the Nordic countries…which is better for women?

what a dumb comparison. The politics and religion of the country has nothing to do with women in STEM.

India had a female PM. US has never had a female leader. Which is better for women? See? Dumb comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No obvious logical connection between loss of AA and need to get rid of legacy and athletic admits. This is basically the colleges petulantly threatening to take away our dessert if we don’t eat our peas.

Depends on the rationale. There are Asian Americans on this site threatening to bring discriminatory impact suits against every college with a football team. And they think they’ll win.

They are delusional. College football means a lot more to conservatives in this country than perceived discrimination

I agree, but I’m not sure I trust the Court to write this spring’s opinion with this in mind. The Harvard personality thing cries out for rhetoric about discriminatory impact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.

Sure. Unless you are an Asian American woman. What this article fails to mention is that the whole college admissions process has been blatantly racist against Asians. Also since we are talking about women girls in general are disadvantaged under admissions to make way for more males that are less qualified. Again college admission here needs an overhaul. Many other countries rely on other meritocratic measures for competitive college admissions and I am all for that.

LOL how is the current college environment “racist” against Asians when they are already represented 2-3x in elite colleges relative to their share of population? Your criticism makes zero sense. Asians are doing f#cking awesome under the current system.

Lol back to you and reread all the non objective criteria asian Americans are assessed by in the Harvard lawsuit. Kudos to Asian Americans still beating the odds despite that stacked against them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.

Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.

Sure. Unless you are an Asian American woman. What this article fails to mention is that the whole college admissions process has been blatantly racist against Asians. Also since we are talking about women girls in general are disadvantaged under admissions to make way for more males that are less qualified. Again college admission here needs an overhaul. Many other countries rely on other meritocratic measures for competitive college admissions and I am all for that.

LOL how is the current college environment “racist” against Asians when they are already represented 2-3x in elite colleges relative to their share of population? Your criticism makes zero sense. Asians are doing f#cking awesome under the current system.

DP.. the point is without some form of aa, you'd see even more Asian Americans (and whites) in top schools. Look at what happened when CA passed Prop 209. Admission rates for URM dropped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No obvious logical connection between loss of AA and need to get rid of legacy and athletic admits. This is basically the colleges petulantly threatening to take away our dessert if we don’t eat our peas.

Depends on the rationale. There are Asian Americans on this site threatening to bring discriminatory impact suits against every college with a football team. And they think they’ll win.

They are delusional. College football means a lot more to conservatives in this country than perceived discrimination

I agree, but I’m not sure I trust the Court to write this spring’s opinion with this in mind. The Harvard personality thing cries out for rhetoric about discriminatory impact.

Lol. Because YOU could do so much better?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.

It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.

This is not really the case. We’re at such a school and kids get zero counseling or help with school selection. My daughter spoke to a counselor for ten min at the start of senior year and that was it. The counselors focus on getting kids to graduate, they don’t have the bandwidth to care about what colleges the kids go to. Looking at Naviance, a lot of top schools never accept the high stats kids who apply from our school and it’s probably because they think the kids aren’t prepared.

Sounds like your kid talked to a guidance counselor not the college counselor. Again, you or your child must do your own homework when it comes to college admissions