lax culture from an insider

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Interesting article in the CC Gazette about public schools trying to build up their LAX programs. The Prep coach is quoted as saying that in NY (where he grew up) lax is the sport of tough public school kids.

The days of high school football may be coming to and end due to concussion concerns.

The GP coach,Kevin Giblin, is correct about lacrosse in public schools in New York.

Part of the reason is that in the Binghampton area, where he is from, there aren't any private schools. This is true throughout most of New York State.

Additionally, lacrosse has been a big part of these public high school athletic programs for many decades. Powerhouse programs like West Genesee high school have fed large number of players into colleges for many, many years.

West Genesee High school is in Camillus, NY. The average income in Camillus, NY is $60,000 per year. Think of it as Wheaton, MD but with lots of snow and car ports, not garages.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Interesting article in the CC Gazette about public schools trying to build up their LAX programs. The Prep coach is quoted as saying that in NY (where he grew up) lax is the sport of tough public school kids.

The days of high school football may be coming to and end due to concussion concerns.

Um .... Lots of concussions in lax too.

You sure about that?

Had three sons that played in middle school and high school. Two played in college.

I have been watching college lacrosse for decades.

I have never seen nor have I heard of a concussion.

Most frequent problems are associated with knees and ankles.

A few tragedies where players are hit in the chest with balls and were killed.

If you really don't know, than why post and pretend you do? Lacrosse is about as dangerous as soccer or basketball.

Um nope - lax is ranked 3rd behind football and hockey. Biggest problem is penalties are not called on certain head to head hits. There was a study last year by Medstar Sports Medicine Research Center in Baltimore where something like only 9 out of every 34 concussion hits were called for penalty. It's kind of a big deal. This year alone there have been 3 concussions at my son's all boys private catholic school due to head to head hits in lax games.

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http://www.cdc.gov/concussion/sports/facts.html

[Anonymous]

The public school programs in this area will catch up soon enough. LAX is a ticket into elite schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The public school programs in this area will catch up soon enough. LAX is a ticket into elite schools.

LAX is an expensive sport, so that'll be a hindrance.

While it is spreading throughout the country, the best coaches are still the product of the east coast, so that'll also be a hindrance.

I do agree that public school programs will catch up. It just make take much longer than one would think.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

and Cornell's best player Rob Pannell went to HS for 5 years and is a 5th year senior playing lacrosse - not sure how he was able to play 5 years of lacrosse at Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

But you implied all college hockey players played in various junior leagues before going to college. And you also asserted that NHL players came from these leagues, not the NHL. Neither is true. A great many do, but not all.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

and Cornell's best player Rob Pannell went to HS for 5 years and is a 5th year senior playing lacrosse - not sure how he was able to play 5 years of lacrosse at Cornell.

You obviously don't follow college sports. Pannell had a serious injury last year, missing almost the entire season. Although it is uncommon in the Ivy League, college athletes are granted additional years of eligibility all the time, usually because of a season-ending injury.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

and Cornell's best player Rob Pannell went to HS for 5 years and is a 5th year senior playing lacrosse - not sure how he was able to play 5 years of lacrosse at Cornell.

You obviously don't follow college sports. Pannell had a serious injury last year, missing almost the entire season. Although it is uncommon in the Ivy League, college athletes are granted additional years of eligibility all the time, usually because of a season-ending injury.

He had an injury in his Junior year after 2 games and Ivy league schools do not give medical waivers. So why was he allowed to play year 5? He actually took the Fall off and only came back in the Spring to take some classes and graduate and play.

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Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

and Cornell's best player Rob Pannell went to HS for 5 years and is a 5th year senior playing lacrosse - not sure how he was able to play 5 years of lacrosse at Cornell.

You obviously don't follow college sports. Pannell had a serious injury last year, missing almost the entire season. Although it is uncommon in the Ivy League, college athletes are granted additional years of eligibility all the time, usually because of a season-ending injury.

He had an injury in his Junior year after 2 games and Ivy league schools do not give medical waivers. So why was he allowed to play year 5? He actually took the Fall off and only came back in the Spring to take some classes and graduate and play.

and what is up with the 5th year of high school?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

But you implied all college hockey players played in various junior leagues before going to college. And you also asserted that NHL players came from these leagues, not the NHL. Neither is true. A great many do, but not all.

I posted about the Yale team. I was not the first poster (who sounds like a soccer person, in calling the junior leagues "academies"). My post, that the majority of ice hockey players, even at the best academic schools, are not direct entries, is accurate. So I don't think we're in disagreement.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hockey players do not go to college from HS they go to academy then to college.

LOL. Another mom who knows nothing. Yes, many top hockey prospects play in various hockey leagues instead of going to college. BUT many college players end up in the NHL as well. Stick to knitting.

Maybe you should learn to read. I did not say that hockey players do not go to college or the NHL, what I did was point out there is a step between HS and D1 hockey. Where I am from we call that "academy". This is why Cornell has 25 year old seniors playing hockey.

You kiss your daughter with that mouth? Actually you probably do.

And you also imply that this is the path all NCAA hockey players follow. That is incorrect. Get over yourself.

The majority of the Yale team (just won the NCAA national championship) were NOT direct entries, but came either from the Canadian junior leagues or the US equivalent. I believe the Yale goalie turned 25 on the day of final, and 21-year-old freshmen Division I ice hockey players are the norm -- it's the 18 year olds who are the exception.

and Cornell's best player Rob Pannell went to HS for 5 years and is a 5th year senior playing lacrosse - not sure how he was able to play 5 years of lacrosse at Cornell.

You obviously don't follow college sports. Pannell had a serious injury last year, missing almost the entire season. Although it is uncommon in the Ivy League, college athletes are granted additional years of eligibility all the time, usually because of a season-ending injury.

He had an injury in his Junior year after 2 games and Ivy league schools do not give medical waivers. So why was he allowed to play year 5? He actually took the Fall off and only came back in the Spring to take some classes and graduate and play.

and what is up with the 5th year of high school?

Pannell played one year of JV lacrosse at his high school, and then had a PG (postgraduate) year at a boarding school (Deerfield). A lot of those big NE boarding schools (Andover, Exeter, etc.) have a little cottage industry in sports PGs.

[Anonymous]

So in HS you can play 5 years if 1 year is JV? Or is that only for boarding schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So in HS you can play 5 years if 1 year is JV? Or is that only for boarding schools?

I don't know the PG rules. I believe it is league by league, and the NE boarding school leagues generally allow PG years. In the private schools in this area, there is an increasing trend in boys' sports of a player transferring to a new school, and being "reclassified" into a new grade -- e.g. repeating a year. If the player played JV at the prior year, the league generally lets him play four years of varsity (for example, the 20 year old pitcher for Maret who came from Potomac School). If he played varsity as a ninth grader, he'd have to sit out a year at the new school (for example, the player on Bullis's team who came from Georgetown Prep, repeated a year at Bullis, and literally "redshirted" like in college by playing no games that year -- don't know if he practiced with the team during his "off year").