Waitlisted at TJ - now what?

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The latest Economist has got this right.

The cover story talks about how “Democrats must moderate or die”. It makes reference to how Virginia voted Youngkin a year after electing Biden by 10 points because of the Democrats eff-ups in Education.

And how progressives make up 12% of the democrats, punch well beyond their weight and are leading the Dems to ruin.

We are seeing the same movie here in Fairfax. It stars the FCPS school board.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

This.

If you believe in this overrepresentation myth then perhaps you should target D-1 sports. It seems like one race is overrepresented - should we allege thag the recruitment process is corrupt ?

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

This.

If you believe in this overrepresentation myth then perhaps you should target D-1 sports. It seems like one race is overrepresented - should we allege thag the recruitment process is corrupt ?

Pro discrimination people would say ALL those winners cheated and bribed for their awards. Only the wealthy kids win. The judges are all racists etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

There is a saying "You can wake up a person who is sleeping, but you cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep!"

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

There is a saying "You can wake up a person who is sleeping, but you cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep!"

That would apply well to those who refuse to acknowledge that the exclusive focus on "groups" overlooks that including kids in one "group" rather than another is arbitrary, or that this approach does not respect individual rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

I think the anti-diversity posters just don't realize the public schools serve a different purpose than professional sports.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

This.

If you believe in this overrepresentation myth then perhaps you should target D-1 sports. It seems like one race is overrepresented - should we allege thag the recruitment process is corrupt ?

Pro discrimination people would say ALL those winners cheated and bribed for their awards. Only the wealthy kids win. The judges are all racists etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

This.

If you believe in this overrepresentation myth then perhaps you should target D-1 sports. It seems like one race is overrepresented - should we allege thag the recruitment process is corrupt ?

Pro discrimination people would say ALL those winners cheated and bribed for their awards. Only the wealthy kids win. The judges are all racists etc.

More like the anti-diversity posters just don't realize the public schools serve a different purpose than professional sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

I'm not sure why these posters are so against diversity and into opportunity hoarding. It's an odd combination of anti-social behaviors.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Exactly. Why don't we think NBA is racist or Nobel Prize is racist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Why should TJ be limited to students whose parents funnel their kids in the direction of prestigious academic competitions? Surely there should be some of these students at TJ - and there will ALWAYS be - but why should TJ only be populated with these types? And why should ALL of these types end up at TJ? Your facts are correct but the conclusions you're drawing from them are... bordering on insane.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Exactly. Why don't we think NBA is racist or Nobel Prize is racist.

For the same reason that we don't think those respective competitions are racist. There isn't a single person in the pro-reform camp who believes that Regeneron or Siemens or Mathcounts are racist.

What we believe is that while SOME of TJ should be represented by winners of these competitions, there's no value in ALL of TJ coming from that very small segment of the academic world.

You will notice that there are essentially zero pro-reform advocates who are out there shouting "60% Asian is STILL TOO MUCH! We should seek to bring that number down even FURTHER!" And that's after two years of this process!

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Why should TJ be limited to students whose parents funnel their kids in the direction of prestigious academic competitions? Surely there should be some of these students at TJ - and there will ALWAYS be - but why should TJ only be populated with these types? And why should ALL of these types end up at TJ? Your facts are correct but the conclusions you're drawing from them are... bordering on insane.

Why are you assuming that the kids who win these awards are simply the products of parents who are funneling their kids in that direction rather than being highly motivated, highly gifted people? That to me is pretty insane and quite racist.

Check your reading comprehension. No one suggested that TJ should only be populated with "these types." People have suggested that race shouldn't be a factor at all when determining which kids have the most academic merit. No matter how you slice things, Asians are grossly outperforming equally privileged white kids. Perhaps the reasons for that should be investigated, rather than "reducing the number of Asians" by stuffing in a bunch of less qualified white and URM kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Exactly. Why don't we think NBA is racist or Nobel Prize is racist.

For the same reason that we don't think those respective competitions are racist. There isn't a single person in the pro-reform camp who believes that Regeneron or Siemens or Mathcounts are racist.

What we believe is that while SOME of TJ should be represented by winners of these competitions, there's no value in ALL of TJ coming from that very small segment of the academic world.

You will notice that there are essentially zero pro-reform advocates who are out there shouting "60% Asian is STILL TOO MUCH! We should seek to bring that number down even FURTHER!" And that's after two years of this process!

That would be a legitimate viewpoint if the other kids at TJ were coming from a strong segment of the academic world that simply wasn't aligned with the high level competitions. In reality, they're coming from the segment that wasn't smart enough to qualify for Algebra in 7th, wasn't motivated enough to do any STEM ECs or achieve anything whatsoever, wasn't smart or motivated enough to take all Honors, and are just a bunch of random, somewhat above average, pretty good students who could write good essays about how they wanted to attend TJ. Don't act like TJ is handpicking from brilliant, diverse kids like Ivies do. They're picking a bunch of somewhat above average kids for the sole purpose of improving optics.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we re-label this thread as “so called adults, fighting over nothing..while their kids are just fine, enjoying HS”

Yes, sure, the changes doubled the number of URM and gave many low-income students opportunities that they were previously denied, but overall it's had little to no impact on anything. I read this thread as a few parents jockeying for an advantage at the expense of the public.

If you believe in entitlement to dole then you resent anyone that works hard. Nobody is asking for anything "at the expense of the public". The ask is to have a process that gives everyone an equal opportunity to public goods. The argument that "overrepresentation" of Asians is solely due to unfair advantages arising from cheating is not just dubious but nefarious.

Just because the new process doubled the URMs does not make the process fair. The end does not justify the means. Or else we can all dispense street justice.

But it was much more fair than the previous process since it gave all students a fair shot not just those at wealthy schools.

The standard cannot be that it was better than the previous one. Or else we can keep defending “separate but equal” as better than overt discrimination.

The previous process was broken. We are not defending that process. But the new one is discriminatory as well. It did not have to be implemented with haste during the pandemic. Proper consultation and change management would have resulted in better ideas and a less polarized community. There have been great ideas on this discussion board as well. Sadly it was not to be.

The new process penalizes Asians for who they are and where they live. It does not evaluate them as individuals. That is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. It is the way they implemented the changes that is the issue. If anyone has followed them closely as I did during the last 2 years, the deception is pure evil.

I agree that the old process was broken but can't see how a race blind admission process where a group that captures over 60% of all seats is being discriminated against.

The overwhelming majority of Regeneron Science Talent search winners are Asian. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of USAMO/JMO qualifiers are Asian. Mathcounts nationals top 56 had like 4 white kids and 52 Asians. Unless you think that every single prestigious STEM national competition is racist since Asians are so grossly overrepresented, maybe you should consider that the Asians generally have higher stats and are achieving at higher levels than everyone else. White people certainly are not underprivileged or under-resourced compared to Asians, yet white people are not achieving much at the highest levels.

Asians are being discriminated against if they have the academic stats to earn 70%+ of the seats, but were cut back to only 60% for reasons not related to academic merit.

Why should TJ be limited to students whose parents funnel their kids in the direction of prestigious academic competitions? Surely there should be some of these students at TJ - and there will ALWAYS be - but why should TJ only be populated with these types? And why should ALL of these types end up at TJ? Your facts are correct but the conclusions you're drawing from them are... bordering on insane.

Why are you assuming that the kids who win these awards are simply the products of parents who are funneling their kids in that direction rather than being highly motivated, highly gifted people? That to me is pretty insane and quite racist.

Check your reading comprehension. No one suggested that TJ should only be populated with "these types." People have suggested that race shouldn't be a factor at all when determining which kids have the most academic merit. No matter how you slice things, Asians are grossly outperforming equally privileged white kids. Perhaps the reasons for that should be investigated, rather than "reducing the number of Asians" by stuffing in a bunch of less qualified white and URM kids.

The only possible logic or inference behind your post was "All of these competitions are dominated by Asians and therefore it is right that they should receive an exceedingly high percentage of spaces at TJ." Else why share the statistics?

Like it or not, that's the point you made. And it's a bad point. So you're being held accountable for it.